'Belle Herminie' rose References
Book (Apr 1999) Page(s) 35.
Belle Herminie ('Ponctuée', 'Punctata') Gallica. Coquerel 1819. Translation "Beautiful Herminie". The author cites information from different sources... bright purple, spotted white...[colour from Vibert's rose]
Book (Jul 1998) Page(s) 136-137. Includes photo(s).
Belle Herminie Coquerel, before 1829, or Vibert, between 1821 and 1838.
Habit: upright shrub, quite strong branches, armed with prickles and bristles. Foliage: light, wlliptical leaflets, medium size. Bloom: 2 to 4 per inflorescence; double, medium size; quartered, slightly reflexing when the bloom fades; quite large buutton eye. Colour: carmine-purple shaded with mauve and spotted; pale edges. Fragrance: medium.
References: Boitard (1836), p. 202 and 206; Cels, catal. 1828, p. 13; Desportes (1828), no 788 to 794; Jacob-Makoy, catal. 1836, p. 43; Loiseleur-Deslongchamps (1844), p. 309; Noisette, catal. 1825; p. 4; Prévost, catal. 1829, no 312-313; Vibert, catal. 1828, no 1110 to 1119, catal. 1841, no 454 to 458. Trade: Yes, but very rare. Collections: author, L'Hay, Sangerhausen.
The authenticity of this variety is very uncertain. The specimen at L'Haÿ, described above, is attributed to Coquerel, an amateur from Le Havre. This 'Belle Herminie' effectively figures in the catalogue of Prévost of 1829, described thus: "purple-brown branches, glandular, unarmed. Medium size bloom, full, light lilac-flesh, pale edges". It joined L'Haÿ after 1902 : in his personal example of the Catalogue 1902, Gravereaux noted by hand : "Belle Herminie (Coquerel), light lilac" (no 7421, p. 101), which corresponds well to the description of 1829. One thus could legitimately thinbk that it is this variety which is at Roseraie de L'Haÿ.
The doubts result from the fact that the specimen of L'Haÿ has lighter edges, but is not "unarmed" and its tone does not really seems to be "light lilac-flesh". The catalogues of the period mention numerous other 'Belle Herminie', resp. 'Belle Hermine' and 'Belle Hermione' .....Only Vibert, between 1821 and 1826, then in 1838, obtained about 15 'Belle Herminie' which he distinguished from each other in his catalogues with simple numbering. Contrary to that of Coquerel, these latter are spotted, as the specimen at L'Haÿ. One cannot exclude that this is in fact an obtention of Vibert. It is impossible to decide as the rare specimens which exist outside of L'Haÿ - at the Rosarium Sangerhausen and in US trade - probably are of L'Haÿ provenance.
Other (1967)
Service Technique des Parcs, Jardins et Espaces Verts de la Ville de Paris et du Département de la Seine [ca. 1954-1967]
Roseraie de l'Hay No. ...
Belle Herminie
Obtenteur Coquerel année
Section Gallicae Espèce R. Gallica
Race Provins
Coloris lilas clair bordé pale
[pencilled XCVII, 19- ]
Book (1936) Page(s) 342.
Herminie, Belle (Provins) Coquerel ? ; light lilac, pale edges. Sangerhausen
Other (1914)
Roseraie de L'Haÿ Collection Horticole No. 7266 [also pencilled 7421 and XCIII-47]
Belle Herminie
Section Provins Groupe Gallicae Sect. V.
Obtenteur Coquerel année ?
Coloris lilas bordé plus clair
[pencilled] Greffe Jardin Luxembourg
C.G.1 x bon ---
Vendeur: Jardin du Luxembourg
Book (1899) Page(s) 22.
Belle Herminie, Provins, Coquerel, lilas clair borde pâle
Book (1838) Page(s) 212.
Belle Herminie Provins Rose/Gallica. Branches: unarmed, glandulous, of a purple-brown. Flowers: full, middle-sized; of a lilac flesh-colour, with paler edges.
Book (1836) Page(s) 206.
Belle Herminie. Coquerel. Arbrisseau à rameaux inermes, glanduleux, d'un pourpre brun; fleurs pleines, moyennes, d'un carné lilas clair, à bords pâles.
Website/Catalog (1830) Page(s) 14.
ROSA gallica.
Fleurs pourpres.
—belle Herminie...1 50 fr.
Book (1829) Page(s) 95.
Provins...Belle Herminie, Originaires du Havre, semis et noménclature de M. Coquerel. Rameaux pourpre brun, glanduleux, inermes. Fleur moyenne, pleine, carné lilas clair, à bords pâles.
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