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'Brindabella Blaze' rose Reviews & Comments
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Brindabella BLaze was bred by John C Gray of Queensland. Verify this with the National Rose Trial Garden results which have been updated since I reported their error 6 months ago.
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Thank you. Can you also supply a date bred ?
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Brindabella Blaze bred in 2004
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Was it a sport? If so, Mr. Gray would probably need to be listed as a discoverer, instead of a breeder.
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#4 of 12 posted
14 JAN 11 by
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Anyone know the parentage of this rose?
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George, I gather John Gray might be Koolami (see initial post). Have you tried sending him a private message to alert him to this thread, On the other hand, I know he is from Toowoomba in Queensland and might have a little water on his plate at the moment.
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#7 of 12 posted
15 JAN 11 by
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"Initial post 26 OCT 09 by koolami Brindabella Blaze is a sport discovered by John C Gray at Brindabella Country Gardens, Toowoomba Queensland and not bred by Chris Warner as incorrectly reported by the Australian National Rose Trial Committee and presumably picked up by HelpMeFind from that source. This can be verified by the Committee and an errata to this effect is currenlty being circulated in the various State Rose Journals "
see:http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=99.298145&tab=32&qn=3&qc=0
Should be listed as discovered by as mentioned above.
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Thanks Simon. Fixed. John Gray is now the discoverer. But the parentage is still unknown, although it was said to be a sport of Brindabella 4352 (whatever that is).
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Maybe we can contact Laurie Newman about it, Patricia? The rose has a registered name (GRAze) so that means it would have to have gone through Laurie as the Australian rep for ICRA-roses. On the registration form one needs to include the parents, if known, so Laurie could check and pass it on.
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I have indexed all the roses ever mentioned in the Australian Rose Annuals and if Laurie Newman had ever registered it, I would certainly have listed it. I have found no such registration for GRAze. As far as I can see it is a synonym dubbed by the discoverer.
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LOL! Really... oh dear...
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Hello Simon and Patricia. It is interesting. "Koolami" does seem to know a lot about this rose, except from which rose it sported. Perplexing for all of us, and yet possibly by design. It is likely that Patricia would have picked up the rose from NRSA Rose Annuals were it registered, but too many introducers have no interest in registering their roses for perpetuity, BTW, "4350" and "4352" are postcodes for Toowoomba and Highfields (Brindabella gardens territory) gratuitously appended as a suffix to pseudo breeders codenames may only be an attempt to infer some official status. Nothing of the sort, and you are right onto this little ploy Simon.
The facts are that Mr.Gray may not see it necessary to respect that Australia has a history of rose breeding that extends from 1880 until today. There is an Australian Rose Breeders Association that provides members with information about hybridisation and propagation, and is encouraging breeders to have their roses entered into trials conducted by National Rose Trial Garden of Australia located in Adelaide. Some people rather prefer to act independently and without regard to tradition, making outlandish claims as to the merits of their roses, and what buyers can expect.
Simon clearly shows that grandiose claims of Blackspot free roses just may not be entirely effective in that regard. It should be common knowledge that Blackspot is endemic in all Modern Roses, thanks to Gallicas being interbred with Chinas in early 19th Century, and from the Bourbons through to Hybrid Perpetuals, Hybrid Teas, and on through Floribundas. Miniatures, up to the present time. Blackspot can be controlled with careful use of Fungicides, especially Triforine. As clearly expressed by a panel of leading breeders including Thomas Proll (Kordes, Germany), Alain Meilland (Meillands, France), and Colin Horner (UK) last October at WFRS Convention, Johannesburg, there are no roses that are blackspot free. Some may be more resistant to it than others, and Australian rose breeders are hard at work producing roses with the intention of providing even greater resistance to Blackspot.
ARBA is an organisation that fosters exchange of information amongst its breeders with the intention of advancing the campaign to create roses that show greater resistance to this unsightly fungus.
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Brindabella Blaze has an upright growth habit to 120cm tall with completely recurrent flowering. Bollms are mostly produced 1 to a stem. It is very well suited to growing in hot, humid environments and has very good blackspot resistance. It's appellation synonym is GRAze. Introduced by Brindabella Country Gardens Australia
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Thanks for sharing your insight - just what HMF needs more of !
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