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'Tribute' rose Reviews & Comments
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25 AUG 13
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Ironically, J&P frequently pulled their best roses from the AARS trials when they were judged the best of the AARS group. They made more money on their Rose of the Year exclusives than they did licensing others to sell the same rose as the AARS winner. If this was sent out as the ROTY, imagine how the others that year stacked up! The only 1983 AARS winner was Sun Flare. Seems sort of "slim pickings" doesn't it?
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#2 of 14 posted
26 AUG 13 by
 goncmg
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Kim, for sure! Sunflare---pretty much Sunsprite without the fragrance, never understood that one! And interesting with Pristine as ROTY 1976 or 77 because Double Delight just exploded on the scene with that AARS 77 and I would assume J&P ganked Pristine out? Because Pristine sure was a contender. I grew Pristine as a test rose when I was 8 and living in Chico. My parents and I felt about it that very first year what everyone soon would feel: doesn't bloom a lot, amazing texture (and really lovely anthers, too!), gorgeous foliage, would do better in heat with a few more petals but close to perfect a few times a year. It did really stand out from the rest of that panel group that year, it wasn't our favorite but it was obvious this was a really solid variety......our favorite, I still remember the test #: 67-5303. It was a glowing cherry-red washed bright, clear orange with some yellow at the base, at the time we had not seen a color like this and in retrospect the best way to describe it would be to say it is what you imagine you would get if you mixed Candy Apple with Futura. We rated it the absolute highest and I held my 8 year old breath to see that so fun to read post-panel report where the "fates" were decided. Pristine was the only one that got released. Poor 67-5303, Spellbinder x Seedling, was not very well received and seemed to get the worst reviews of the group. Another one in the mix that year was ADOLF HORSTMANN! Not sure HOW that one got mixed into the J&P test panel but it did and it was disclosed in that post-report that it was a varitey marketed in Europe and I know it ended up with Fred and Wini Edmunds and all of this is very intriguing because wouldn't J&P have already at that point invested a lot of time and money? Did Edmunds buy "the lot" off J&P? Adolf sure isn't a J&P 70's rose! LOL What were they thinking? Either introduce it or don't?? ........the world would have to wait until 1982 and Fascination for J&P to release a peony.....:-) ............................oh Kim! I also just realized 1975! ROTY was PROMISE (color and shiny foliage, maybe brighter and happier in a less formal way than Royal Highness but not a good rose) and ARIZONA OREGOLD AND CATHEDRAL. !!!!!!!!!!!!! I can talk this forever, thanks for your insight, I love it.
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J&P had long had reciprocal "right of first refusal" agreements with several European rose firms. It makes sense they would test a European variety with their test panels as part of determining if they wanted to spend money to support introducing it. They very well could have sold the rights to the variety to Edmund's. That was a common practice in the industry and had been done since at least the 1930s. At its best, it resulted in some neat foreign roses making into commerce here. The way it regularly worked was to prevent competitive varieties from entering our market. Sort of a legal monopolization of the market.
Ah, Promise! At its best, it could be gorgeous. Unfortunately, those instances were few and far between. As a dear friend loves to say, "It's pretty, when it's pretty!"
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#4 of 14 posted
26 AUG 13 by
goncmg
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Kim? Do you have access to the J&P ROTY roster? Because I am so spotty on this one! I do not even know when it started? I think HAWAII was one, and Polynesian Sunset? White Masterpiece? The Fireside and Pristine and NEW DAY (tying this in to your response with the connection to Europe, I think New Day/Mabella was 77, Pristine was 76 and Promise WAS 75)......Summer Dream was 86? Fascination the Peony maybe 1982? Just struck me that although I can name every AARS EVER I have no idea about ROTY: 1980 Warriner swept AARS. WHAT WAS ROTY then? Am I wrong? I think somehow it was ALSO HONOR?????? Oh, AMERICAN PRIDE. I think that was 78? But this is funny to be honest, I really don't have any idea. To back up my comments to Jay-Jay over how much between ages 6 and 24 I HATED domestic releases, I grew test panel varieties several times and other than Pristine I have no recollection over who won, who got released, any of that....................GRAND MASTERPIECE? Isn't that some demi-climber that sort of looks like American Pride but really gangly? The haze, the past, so many names, so little merit or personality.......................
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I searched to see if I could locate the list of ROTY winners, but no cigar. Honor couldn't have been a ROTY as it was an AARS and they usually didn't win both.
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#6 of 14 posted
26 AUG 13 by
goncmg
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Kim: to you and everyone who may read this thread, cyber hi-jinks resulted in me deleting the comment I posted which resulted in this thread and are precluding me from deleting the double/redundant post I just made.................
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You mean like that? LOL!
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#8 of 14 posted
26 AUG 13 by
goncmg
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I deleted the duplicate post for you.
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#11 of 14 posted
26 AUG 13 by
goncmg
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Can you restore the initial? I am trying to and cannot...............
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No, sorry, once it's gone, it's gone. There is nothing for me to restore.
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#13 of 14 posted
26 AUG 13 by
goncmg
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Dang. Guess the other people talking about TRIBUTE will just have to fill in the blanks. LOL for sure on that one!.................and back up and tell me who the other ROTY winners were! I seriously am clueless!
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I wish I could. I couldn't come up with an ROTY list on line nor here on HMF.
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#15 of 14 posted
26 AUG 13 by
goncmg
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Says a lot in a way re: the glory days of the modern...............I searched through and through as well...........for now I will just have to smile and maybe cringe and smile again................is ROTY even ALIVE now? I think it is? The test panel roses are being sold I am pretty sure.................it was, to sum it up, all a marketing sham anyway..............but don't think for a moment, Kim, I haven't recently thought about flying into Chico and seeing if 67-5303 isn't somehow still alive at our old kiwi orchard property..............the climate wouldn't kill it............I drove by the "old place" in 2004 and most of the front yard roses seemed to be there (Mermaid still up that dead tree).............
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Funny thing. I dislike pretty much every rose listed in this thread. When I was new to roses, I actually disliked about 85% of their roses. It might be a generation thing, or a thing from my person personal aesthetic. But it seemed to be common with a friend, too. They were, to me, loud, lanky, and mostly obnoxious looking. Sun Flare is the only rose in this thread I could deal with. But Sunsprite is better. I grew Sun Flare. It was slightly smaller than Ss here, and less fragrant. But it had a trait I hated, which was that the growth was wispy and the stem/foliage tissue seemed brittle. I replaced it with 'Freedom', which sat in that spot for a decade. It was a superior short yellow.
I remember trying 'Heaven'. It was more refined than 'Pristine', but it was weak.
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