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'Raspberry Cream Twirl' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 121-985
most recent 4 JUN 20 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 4 JUN 20 by Unregistered Guest
Available from - Stargazer Perennials
Discussion id : 115-687
most recent 11 MAR 19 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 11 MAR 19 by Nastarana
'Raspberry Cream Twirl' is being offered by Northland Rosarium this year.

They call it a shrub of about 5', which is likely what cold zoners can expect.
Discussion id : 86-698
most recent 14 MAY 17 SHOW ALL
Initial post 19 JUL 15 by Michael Garhart
Fairly healthy climber, with very few prickles! Sadly, the colors and form kind of muddle from more than 5' away.... I think it was intended to be romantic looking, but its hard to see the stripes :[
Reply #1 of 1 posted 14 MAY 17 by Carol T
I agree, it isn't great to look at, unless you're looking directly at it.
Discussion id : 93-216
most recent 29 APR 17 SHOW ALL
Initial post 6 JUN 16 by Carol T
I ordered from Edmunds & planted two. One died over a mild winter in Boston Massachusetts area & I replaced it & both suffered from three bad winters in a row. I lost 10 year old well established (2006) Climbing Iceberg this past winter 2015-2016.
One Raspberry Cream Twirl has started blooming last week of May 2016, other next to it (both own root- one planted 2012, replacement for 2012 in 2013) is barely alive & isn't 8 inches tall.

I have ARS Modern Roses open & there is no picture, but description has code name 'Meitaratol' introduced by Edmunds in 2012.
Neither of mine show any sign of growing any taller than 5-6 feet. But, we have had three brutally cold winters from 2013-2014, 2014-2015 and 2015-2016.
Modern Roses lists this as being 10-12 feet tall.

We have had below zero temperatures in January before we broke snow record in 2015. We had same subzero temps in January 2016 & we didn't have any snow storms worth remembering.
I do not winter protect except to add extra cedar mulch around bases of roses or bud unions if I didn't plant deep enough to bury bud unions.

I live in small city 4-6 miles from Boston, depending on where I'm going & which route I decide to take.

Does anyone have Edmunds Raspberry Cream Twirl that doesn't grow as a climber?

I found here link to Otto & Sons Nursery & printed list of climbers, repeat, disease resistance, fragrance, size of bloom, ARS rating, etc.
Reply #1 of 7 posted 17 JUN 16 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5
Carol: I'm so sorry to hear about the loss of your favorite roses. Last winter 2015 was bad .. we had icy-rain in December which leaked through my roof ...the rain flooded my zone 5a garden, then froze roses' roots in my poor-drainage clay. My Knock-outs were only a few inch. tall early June, so I killed them. I lost Bolero since it's near the rain-spout, and got drown in freezing rain in Dec.

University of Vermont has a pdf-file on how plants survive winter, they state that plants prefer it on the dry side going into winter. Dry cold is more bearable than wet-cold which roots rot with too much wetness, plus crack when the water freezes.

When I dug up dead Bolero, I saw a thick layer of heavy clay and rocks underneath that blocked water from draining properly ... so I dug deeper, 2 feet wide and at least 2.5 feet deep, to throw out the heavy clay & rocks that block water. The drainage is excellent now, I can pour a 5-gallon bucket and the water sinks in immediately, rather than flood over. I did the same for the 10 holes to prepare for 10 roses that ordered recently through Roses Unlimited 1/2 price sale this recent June 8, 2016.

Google "What's happening at RU" second week of June and you'll see that sale for gallon-size own-root for $10 each. Roses Unlimited roses are big, so I can plant them directly into my clay.

There's a spot that roses always blackspot, no matter what. So I dug down to 2 feet wide, and 2.5 feet deep, and found a giant rock, the size of a long watermelon .. that blocked the water from going down. In heavy clay, roses black-spot due to water not draining fast enough. I cut roses for the vase often, if I leave them for more than 3 days, leaves start to blackspot in the vase.

Good drainage, through digging deep, is the key for healthy roses and winter-survival as well. I fix my heavy clay with coarse sand, gypsum, and chunky organic matter.
Reply #2 of 7 posted 27 JUN 16 by Carol T
I have maple tree roots competing with more than half of my rose garden. I ordered two Above All Climbers, Louise Estes & paid full price for Pinnacle from Roses Unlimited.
I planted the two Above All roses in my back yard ( where there are thousands of maple tree roots) & replaced roots with 20 pound bag of worm castings in the planting hole. I think RU is the best for own root roses. Full price roses there are cheaper than a competitor that charges $27 for a 4 x 4 banded pot.

Another tip included with a mini & Miniflora rose company adds in planting instructions to add mulch to planting hole. I've added cedar mulch to every roses I've planted in the last three years.

Thank you.
Reply #3 of 7 posted 28 APR 17 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5
Thank you !! Agree to putting mulch in the planting hole. Heirloom Rose nursery also recommended 50% wood-chips mixed with clay for aeration ... roots need air pockets to grow.
Reply #4 of 7 posted 28 APR 17 by Carol T
I find adding mulch in planting hole really does make roses grow

No one has answered my original question about Radpberry Cream Twirl. Five years old
Now & it's no taller than 4-5 feet. An animal must have dig up smaller one.
I can see hole in soil & rose is gone.
Reply #5 of 7 posted 28 APR 17 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5
I'm so sorry about your loss of that rose. I have rabbits and deer who used to eat my roses, then I bought a $3 HUGE container of cheap & stinky curry powder from Mexican store. Animals won't even come near curry, but Irish Spring Soap, garlic powder, and hot pepper didn't work !!
Reply #6 of 7 posted 28 APR 17 by Carol T
I'll try that. Racoons, skunks & last summer a man down
The Street told me about a huge white possum. I was
out in here after dark & using lights that go on & off by
sensors & saw that ugly white face come out from under
my car. I rushed to put things away to go in.

I honestly didn't think we had those critters here
because I live in small city & not in Boston suburbs
with a lot of land or woods.

It's the first day I've been out in garden today. I hate
Spring pruning. I've been in same two small beds for a
few hours.

I was spraying rags with ammonia & that didn't help
last year. It made me feel sick when pouring it.

Thank you!
Reply #7 of 7 posted 29 APR 17 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5
Thank you for your honesty & sharing experience. Edmunds' roses are grafted on Dr. Huey, which can't handle rain mid-winter, then freeze. So I grow mostly own-root roses. I hope that more people would post info about their planting zone, own-root or what type of rootstock, type of soil, amount of rainfall when talk about particular rose.

Some roses like Lagerfeld can survive zone 5 winter easily for a loamy soil/full sun person, but will die in heavy clay. Or Meilland French own-root Sweet Promise thrived in my wet heavy clay, in the same spot that Knock-out (grafted on Dr.Huey) could not. I will put more info. on soil & moisture preference & amount of sun for each of the 100 varieties of own-root that I have grown. I hope others do the same, own-root are $$$, we can help one another NOT to lose roses through winters, by choosing the right own-root for our soil/climate.
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