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"General Tartas rose Reviews & Comments
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Just planted a small one of these, sourced from Thomas for Roses. It's early days yet, but at this stage it could be called thornless. There are only two fine bristles, hardly even worth calling thorns, on the plant. It'll be interesting to see how it ends up once it's had a chance to put on some more growth.
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For member Give me caffeine.
It appears from your photographs which show very flat foliage (and glandular pedicel) , that your rose sourced from Thomas For Roses in South Australia, may be a different rose from that grown in Western Australia. The foliage of mine in W.A. has leaves with upturned edges and Billy once said hers had a consistently smooth pedicel. (I'd go outside and check, but we were forecast to have the coldest day in W.A. in a decade. - it certainly is very wet.) it would be interesting to know where Thomas sourced their rose from.
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Yes, that's why I thought mine being bristly on the pedicels was odd (I assume by 'glandular' you mean sorta bristly). IIRC Billy said hers gets 'taco leaves' at some times of the year, but not others. Also purplish undersides on the leaves, which mine doesn't have (yet) either. I'll have to wait and see what mine does over a few seasons. Don't even have a flower out yet to check on that, but should have one or two within a week.
I can ask Glenys if she remembers where theirs came from.
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Mine has popped out a bloom today. The Infamous Tea Ladies' Compendium of No-Fuss Roses for Sensible People said "Scent is a strong, sweet Tea, with fruity, floral and aromatic notes". Billy described the scent as "divine fragrance - like old fashioned boiled lollies or Pascall's Fruit Bonbons if you remember them".
I can't really remember those, but my description would be "rich, sweet, fruity and a bit musky", with musky again being in the pink Lifesavers sense. Doesn't really have any Tea notes as such, to my nose. Maybe they kick in later.
It definitely smells a bit like lollies of some sort and is generally rather scrumptious. So, allowing for differences in noses and choice of words, this is probably the same scent.
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By the way, this ''Souvenir d'un Ami'' turned out to be 'Susan Louise', so my descriptions apply to that cultivar.
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Oh dear. I’ve added that mislabel note to the growing list on Thomas For Roses page. It may help others who purchased a so-called ‘Souvenir d’un Ami’ in the past from them. Thank you for letting us know Give me caffeine.
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No, it wasn't a mislabel. They had both. They just sent me the wrong one by mistake. They had their beds planted alphabetically, and Susan Louise was the next one after Souvenir, so someone dug the wrong one. This was presumably due to the borders between beds not being clear.
So my comments relate to Susan Louise because that's what I got, but when I made the comments I hadn't yet identified the plant, and still thought it was what had been ordered.
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Understand. Deleted the Note from the nursery page.
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If it's not too much trouble, it might be a good idea to move these comments to 'Susan Louise'. :)
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Had a thought about this beastie. According to Botanica, purplish undersides to leaves can be a symptom of phosphorous deficiency. Australian soils are notorious for being deficient in phosphorous.
What I'm thinking is that it may be possible that the purplish undersides to Souvenir D'un Ami's leaves at times simply indicate that this cultivar is unusually sensitive to low phosphorous levels, and that the trait may not show up in soil that had higher levels of phosphorous. So rather than being diagnostic of Souvenir D'un Ami per se, it may instead be diagnostic of phosphorous levels.
This would be easy to test if anyone wanted to. Simply get a Souvenir D'all That which is showing purplish underneath and chuck some extra phosphorous at it. See what happens.
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Interesting idea, thank you!
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Not sure about that idea at all. I am of the impression that it is quite easy to create a phosphorus toxicity in the soil.
Nancy Steen was gardening near Auckland, New Zealand. Her 1966 New Zealand reference first mentioned the purple sheen to the underside of the leaves. Just right now, every tea rose has the red sheen to the undersides of leaves but she mentioned the mature leaves had this trait. Wait and watch. I noted the other day some definite pear-shaped hips on my bush and I could replicate the hip photo on p189 of the Tea Roses book, right down to the seemingly segmented two bottom hips in the photo. Mrs. Steen says ...."the flat, globose heps being depressed on top, unlike the pear-shaped ones of the China Roses." Surely she would have noted the pear-like hips this rose sometimes produces, but she doesn't mention it.
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31 MAY 13 by
Smtysm
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Available from - Mistydowns
www.mistydowns.com.au
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31 MAY 13 by
Smtysm
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This seems like one to have, if it is very fragrant!
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