'Gloire des Lawrantias' rose reviews and comments

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'Gloire des Lawrantias' rose Reviews & Comments

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Discussion id : 131-893 most recent 3 MAR 22 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 3 MAR 22 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

The parentage of Gloire des Lawrantias (Miellez <1838) is given as
Rosa indica pumila flore simplici (Syn Miss Lawrance's Rose) 1768 which was a single white.
I wonder if the parentage should be
Rosa indica subtaxon pumila Redouté & Thory. (Syn Pumila (Lawrencia, Colvill, 1806) which is a light pink double.

Also, it may be that the 1936 Rosenlexikon reference in quoting
R. semperfl. Lawr. X ? - intended:

Rosa chinensis var. semperflorens (Curtis) Koehne (syn Slaters Crimson China) intro in 1789 - and not
Rosa semperflorens minima synonym 1768 (syn Rosa indica pumila flore simplici (Syn Miss Lawrance's Rose)

(Other chinas bred by Miellez were:
Anémone rose (China, Miellez before 1828)
Philippe 1er (china, Miellez, pre 1832)
Camellia Rouge (China 1835 [?] )
Gloire des Lawrantias( Miellez <1838)

Reply #1 of 2 posted 3 MAR 22 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

I think Jäger intended 'Miss Lawrance's Rose', which he lists in his catalogue. However, it is unknown from where he has the information that 'Gloire des Lawrantias' is a seedling of this. It could be that the synonyms need some sortiung out. Otto lists about 40 Lawrentias in his 1858 "Der Rosenzüchter"	REPLY

Reply #2 of 2 posted 3 MAR 22 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Thanks Jedmar. That would be a job and a half. I am afraid I am unable to help further, but I have added Brent Dickerson’s sources to the 1999 reference, and they would be of interest if anyone has access to them.	REPLY

Discussion id : 79-588 most recent 23 JUL 18 SHOW ALL

Initial post 23 JUL 14 by John Hook

Reply #1 of 1 posted 23 JUL 18 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Thank you once again John. This is most interesting and I have added this reference to 'Gloire des Lawrencianas' and also to 'Oakington Ruby' - as well as to the Notes for "Ebenezer Cemetery Miniature China".	REPLY

Discussion id : 112-324 most recent 23 JUL 18 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 22 JUL 18 by John Hook

Gloire des Lawrenceeanas - deep, brilliant crimson, a beautiful little rose (actual spelling) A descriptive Catalogue of Selected Roses - Thomas Rivers 1851	REPLY

Reply #1 of 1 posted 23 JUL 18 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Thank you John. Reference added.	REPLY