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"Rosa banksiae rosea" rose Reviews & Comments
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The Floricultural Cabinet, and Florists' Magazine, Volume 9 page 195 (Sept 1, 1841)
Banksia rosea is a slight deviation from the true Banksia; it appears to bear an affinity to some of the Boursoult Roses of humbler growth.
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Thanks Karl.
I have added your references, but note that you have commented in a file which has the "foundling" double quotes. We have two files:
"Rosa banksiae rosea" (Rambler)
Rosea (hybrid banksia)
I suspect they should be merged to become just the one 'Rosea' (hybrid banksiae)?
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#2 of 12 posted
22 AUG 15 by
CybeRose
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Patricia,
I really don't know anything about this (these?). I just happened across a mention of Banksia rosea and wanted to preserve the info.
It would be interesting if this "Rosea" turns out to be a Hybrid Banksiae.
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I know nothing about them either, but there is a garden called Le Villerot in France who grows the founding rose. Perhaps we should seek more information before merging the files. Does anybody know this garden or the owners
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#4 of 12 posted
23 AUG 15 by
 Cà Berta
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In Italy a few nurseries sell Rosa Banksiae rosea. I bought two from Vivai Innocenti & Mangoni and they proved to be Tausendschon. I think that other pink roses might be sold with that name.
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I had a fossick around the one nursery that HelpMeFind lists for this rose, Crocus, but could only find a normal banksiae.
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#6 of 12 posted
24 AUG 15 by
Cà Berta
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... the other, plantes et jardins.com, as stated in HMF sells a Rosa banksiae rosea. However, as far as I can judge from the photo ( http://www.plantes-et-jardins.com/p/24998-rosier-de-banks-rosea#ref=1212-2_2-2_1103-3) it looks Tausendschon. It does not surprise me as Vivai Innocenti & Mangoni is a sort of huge hub that sells to other nurseries in 40 countries.
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Thanks Cà Berta. We've noted on the foundling page that it may be 'Tausendschon'.
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#8 of 12 posted
24 AUG 15 by
Cà Berta
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Warning is the only thing we can do!
In 2007 I wrote to Mangoni and they, very kindly, replied that "their commercial catalogue is dedicated to professionals who are presumed to have in-depth knowledge of the subject". Nino Sanremo, a truly professional nursery, in fact removed Rosea banksiae rosea from its catalogue and donated the left over plants to customers.
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mhm...
what about this rose?:
http://www.planfor.fr/achat,rosier-de-banks-rosea,9383,FR
(they say: "Introduced in France in 1807")
I have got one bought there. It is now (December) blooming.
It has some small thorns. Little scent. It is a few years old plant not showing (yet?) tall canes as other banksiae I have (alba plena and lutea).
I am posting a picture....
Need I to rename it??? Thank you!
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#11 of 12 posted
25 DEC 16 by
jedmar
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I had to look up the dictionary for the meaning of "fossick"!
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I have been fossicking..... and will add a new comment in 'Tausendschon', which may be relevant.
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#10 of 12 posted
25 DEC 16 by
jedmar
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I have uploaded 3 photos I made during a visit to Le Villerot in 2014. It was not a full grown plant at the time and had only a few blooms. The canes are without prickles, and leaflets are narrow and lanceolate, however I cannot confirm that it is really a banksia. It does not look like 'Tausendschön' to me, the foliage is narrower. The introduction date of 1807 is definitely incorrect, that refers to the white version of the Banksia.
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The complete book of roses (1981) Page 152
Gerd Krüssmann
R. banksiae rosea (= R. banksiae alba plena x unknown red garden rose; 1824).
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Sorry Karl,
I cannot find this reference in my Krussman. It is not on p152, 292 nor 398.
When you find it, would you please put the comment in the Rosea (hybrid banksia) page.
The page you are using at the moment is a foundling, with the "double quotes" and cannot be the page you need.
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#2 of 3 posted
24 AUG 15 by
CybeRose
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Patricia,
I don't have the book, only the snippet view on books.google.com
The reference is in a note on Boursault, "Some Leading Rose Breeders and their Work as well as Some Information on Botanists and Gardeners in Relation to Roses", between Boulenger and Brownell;
The Complete Book of Roses (1981) p. 152.
Gerd Krüssmann
Boursault, Henri. Gardener and botanist in Paris, Rue Blanche; possessed the largest private collection of the time (1828); the plans for his garden can be found in J.C. Loudon's An Encyclopedia of Gardening, 2nd Edition, London (1835). R. banksiae rosea (=R. banksiae alba plena x unknown red garden rose; 1824).
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In a list of rose breeders! No wonder I was having trouble. Thanks Karl.
There is a parentage listed and it is 143 years after the first mention of the rose..... however, I have added it.
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The American Flower Garden Directory p. 85 (1839)
Robert Buist
There has been seen in Canton, a pink Banksia Rose; but I have never heard of its being introduced either to Europe or this country.
[I would not be surprised to learn that this pink Banksia rose of Canton was really a multiflora. Rosa multiflora carnea was originally named Rosa flava in Donn's catalogue, presumably because someone sent a specimen or cuttings of R. multiflora multiflora carnea in place of a yellow R. banksiae.]
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Thanks. This reference added to 'Rosea' (hybrid banksia)
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Manual of Roses p. 27 (1846)
William Robert Prince
Catalogue of Roses
Class XVIII - Banksian Roses
1019. Rosea, Bright roseate, 62 cts.
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