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Discussion id : 114-836
most recent 29 SEP 19 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 9 JAN 19 by CybeRose
There was a small specimen of 'Nigrette' at the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden. It did not survive.

'San Leandro Dark Red', on the other hand, thrived. As I recall, it was always in bloom during the growing season.
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Reply #1 of 10 posted 9 JAN 19 by Patricia Routley
The Patent for ‘Nigrette’ says it has old and new green wood. San Leandro Dark Red HT” has red wood.
I wondered about ‘Granat’, which reads well, but the two photos do not look like “San Leandro Dark Red HT”.
I even leafed through The Quest For The Black Rose, but I would have to read it for the good information it must surely contain, and my old eyesight will not reach the end of the ridiculous size of its pages.
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Reply #2 of 10 posted 11 JAN 19 by CybeRose
Patricia,
Grasping at straws, I wondered if it might be 'Chief Justice Holmes'. But this was said to be a climber, which 'San Leandro Dark Red' is not.
The only picture I have found of CJH is a screen-grab from an online video. The plant does not appear to be a climber, and the color is WAY off.
Karl
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Reply #3 of 10 posted 11 JAN 19 by Patricia Routley
Until we find out what decade this foundling dates from, straws are all we have Karl. But we have such good identifiable characteristcs with this rose, the gray-green leaves, the red wood and the velvety petals, I am sure someone will crack it (identify it) one day.
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Reply #4 of 10 posted 12 JAN 19 by Patricia Routley
If there is any new wood that is green initially, I think that a close look at 'Daily Mail Scented' might be in order.
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Reply #5 of 10 posted 13 JAN 19 by CybeRose
All the pictures I have show red pedicels. Not a green one in the bunch, like the 'Daily Mail Scented'. Maybe it's the soil that makes the difference. Then there are the leafy sepal-tips on SLDR.

I suppose 'Château de Clos Vougeot' is in there, but the stiff stems of SLDR are from somewhere else.
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Reply #6 of 10 posted 13 JAN 19 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Karl. I just wanted to eliminate some dastardly disease that I have heard about that turns the wood red. 'Daily Mail Scented' seem to tick a lot of boxes, but for that wood. Plough on.
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Reply #7 of 10 posted 3 SEP 19 by CybeRose
Patricia,
Has anyone suggested 'Red-Letter Day'. "Sage-green foliage" sounds about right.
Karl
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Reply #8 of 10 posted 3 SEP 19 by Patricia Routley
A good guess, Karl, but I have a reservation or two.
Only in Deborah’s 29 May 2013 photo do I see any similarity to the ‘Red Letter Day’ twisting-back-and-forth petals.
There is no mention of the colour of wood in the ‘Red Letter Day’ file. A pity. We are looking for mentions of the red wood of "San Leandro Dark Red HT". But my biggest reservation is that "San Leandro Dark Red HT" is highly fragrant, and ‘Red Letter Day’ was said to have no fragrance at all.
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Reply #9 of 10 posted 15 SEP 19 by Michael Garhart
I cant tell if its possibly 'Night' or not.
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Reply #10 of 10 posted 29 SEP 19 by CybeRose
There are pictures of 'Night' reportedly taken at the San Jose Heritage.
https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.147122

I don't recall seeing it there, but maybe someone visiting the garden could compare it to the 'San Leandro Dark Red HT' that also grows there.
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Discussion id : 89-982
most recent 7 JAN 19 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 30 DEC 15 by Michael Garhart
There are so many of these older dark red HTs, but this one looks cool!

Instead of focusing on the flowers to ID it, I focused on what could have produced foliage like this. There are many damask red HT lines from yesteryear. Most of them have rather funky foliage, but this one seems to have unusual leaves for damask reds. So looking at what could have produced this seemed like a better idea. I currently considering the Charles Mallerin lines, which can get that rather ovoid foliage type. Still unsure!
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 30 DEC 15 by Patricia Routley
I thoroughly agree with looking beyond the bloom shots.
Funky foliage? I’ve seen roundish leaves in the oldies. My ?'Charles Mallerin' doesn’t seem to have leaves that are so serrated as in the photos. Probably the way to eliminate this one is to look at the bush as a whole. Does it make basals freely - CM doesn’t. Are they lopsided - as CM can be. But the photos certainly show the almost touchable velvet and a bloom is showing glimpses of the yellow stamens as I have seen in my ?‘Charles Mallerin’. More photos of the pedicel, showing any glands, and the armature on the canes might help.
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 30 DEC 15 by Michael Garhart
Oh, sorry. I didnt mean CM itself. I intended to mean the roses that came after it, as opposed to, for example, something bred beyond Etoile de Holland.
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 31 DEC 15 by Deborah Petersen
I've posted a photo of a pedicel and a few other photos of details (such as they are, this being winter here), with photos of prickles arriving tomorrow, with luck. It is moderately armed, I would say -- not so heavily armed as to strike terror as one approaches, but a smattering of medium-size prickles. The bush produces basals, but hard to gauge relative productivity, given how young it is.
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 31 DEC 15 by Michael Garhart
It looks good for an older red.
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 31 DEC 15 by Deborah Petersen
So far it's been a good bloomer (regular flushes, quick turnaround) and healthy bush.
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 31 DEC 15 by Patricia Routley
Excellent and clear photos Deborah.
Because of the green wood on my bush and the original bush - and the red wood on your bush;
and the regular flushes and quick turnaround - against my once in a blue moon when it pleases, I believe your rose is not the same as mine and therefore possibly not (my rose is a foundling), 'Charles Mallerin'.
I have added the various characteristics on the rose to the main page Notes.
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 6 JAN 19 by CybeRose
I think it is noteworthy that the leaves are often gray-green, like the picture I added from October 8, 2006 - San Jose Heritage
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 7 JAN 19 by Patricia Routley
Thank you Karl. I have added gray-green foliage. The characteristic of red wood is so identifiable. That will be red new wood I think, that I want to ask others to go out and check all their old hybrid teas. For some reason, the “San Leandro Dark Red HT” seems so familiar and fascinates me. Does anyone know Mrs. Madeiros to ask her what decade she can pin it back to?
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Discussion id : 90-040
most recent 31 DEC 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 31 DEC 15 by scvirginia
It might be useful to know when this rose was discovered in San Leandro, and if there are any clues that could point to the age of that plant. If it were known that the plant existed in 1965, for example, one would be able to eliminate a few contenders.

Thanks,
Virginia
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Discussion id : 89-990
most recent 31 DEC 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 30 DEC 15 by Jay-Jay
The description states: "From the Vintage Catalog: "One of the blackest red Hybrid Teas we know, and very very fragrant. This holds so well in all weathers that it deserves to be widely grown.""
But is it already sold commercially, or available in Europe?
I would like to grow or propagate(budgraft) one. Because the description also states:
"VERY VERY FRAGRANT!
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 31 DEC 15 by Deborah Petersen
It is quite fragrant, along the lines of 'Mirandy' or 'Barcelona', which I also have. I would be shocked if it were available in Europe as it hardly seems in existence here in the U.S. Thus far, the only places I know of are in my garden and, very likely, since I bought my plant from Vintage Roses, the "Lowery-Robinson" collection now owned and maintained by The Friends of Vintage Roses in Sebastopol, CA. It does not seem to be in the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden, the Sacramento Cemetery, or other collections, that I know of.
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 31 DEC 15 by Jay-Jay
Thank You for the reply Deborah,
I think, that it sounds shocking too, that this rose is so NOT widely spread, to prevent it from extinction.
Would You consider sending bud-wood next year to Europe, if there is no rose-rosette disease in Your area?
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 31 DEC 15 by Deborah Petersen
There is no rose-rosette here so far and yes I would, as long as it is legally achievable.
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 31 DEC 15 by Jay-Jay
Thank You, You're kind!
How do You mean legally? Is there a patent?
Exporting from The States and importing to The Netherlands is not that difficult or forbidden.
The other way round is very difficult and at high costs.
And if You have a PayPal account, I can compensate You for the expenses/shipping-costs.
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 31 DEC 15 by Deborah Petersen
Okay, good to know about sending to Europe (not experienced with that). As long as procedures stay that way, we're good! Just send me an HMF private message when the time is appropriate next year and we can arrange.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 31 DEC 15 by Jay-Jay
I will! Thank You!
I would like to wish You a good New Year's Eve and a happy New Year. And All the other HMF visitors, members and administrators.
Best Regards, Jay-Jay.
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Reply #7 of 6 posted 31 DEC 15 by Jay-Jay
At first I tried to delete the last post, but HMF website chose something else to do and deleted the first.
I changed the text of the last post. (It was meant as a PM at first)
The first was:
The description states: "From the Vintage Catalog: "One of the blackest red Hybrid Teas we know, and very very fragrant. This holds so well in all weathers that it deserves to be widely grown.""
But is it already sold commercially, or available in Europe?
I would like to grow or propagate(budgraft) one. Because the description also states:
"VERY VERY FRAGRANT!
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