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'Mrs. Beecher Stowe' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 119-694
most recent 8 JAN 20 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 7 JAN 20 by jedmar
If this were Carmine-pink, it could be 'Mme Harriet Stowe' by Laffay.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 7 JAN 20 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Jedmar. From vague memory there is also an 1880s reference that I haven’t yet added. I’ll check that as soon as I can.
Later edit - the 1885 reference says "clear pink".
I have no records of 'Mrs. Harriet Stowe' entering Australia, but I note both Mrs. Beecher Stowe and Mrs. Harriet Stowe were cupped.

I have been adding the early introductions into Australia from 1845 and am up to 1865. (This will never be really accurate as I don’t have all the catalogues, but I do have many and it will show if a rose entered Australia at some time) In the process I have had to make myself a file of “Not yet added”. Many of these have been sorted out in the chronological process but this stage I am left with about 40 that I can’t solve. May I send this to you for your advice?
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 8 JAN 20 by jedmar
Yes, of course. Do some of these Australian nurseries have a tradition of using phantasy names?
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 8 JAN 20 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Jedmar. I appreciate that.
Possibly..... I have added pointers to the names of 'Souvenir Dunnie' and 'Madame Fatardo' recently.
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 8 JAN 20 by jedmar
Souvenir Dunnie - lol!
Souvenir d'un Ami also came to my mind.
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 8 JAN 20 by Kim Rupert
Happy New Year, Patricia! Perhaps it might be fun to list those "phonetic names" here? It would be fun reading what they have "translated" into and you might find many more suggestions with many more eyes viewing them. When Virginia and I were working on entering old catalogs for archives, we encountered many along the lines of "Dunnie". Some were rather comical!
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 8 JAN 20 by Patricia Routley
Yes, they make you laugh out aloud sometimes. But most of them are not funny - just plain old mis-spellings and I have added a hidden synonym in each file for the ones that were obvious, such as
B. Paul's Prince Albert fine scarlet crimson
HP. Notre Dame de Fourvieres glossy pink, large and full
HP. Mademoiselle Claudine d'Offay red, large, full and good
HP. Madame Valembourgh bright purplish red, large, full and fine form

Here are some of those 40 From my “not yet added” list: Alba nova, Bishop’s Blush, Celenet Rougemart, Coulard, General de Lange, Leader, Liliputian, Louis Pironne, Maria Nova, Madame Andot, Madame Dubois, Madame Edward Fry, Matdoise, Princess de Havry, Tom Thumb, Violet Scented

But the one which fascinates me most of all is from the 1851 Exotic Nursery, (Australia) catalogue.
47. Mutabilis, changeable red, a capital border rose.
123. Mutabilis crimson, often with a streak of white. Perpetual .
We might be able to solve this one if anybody has access to the Exotic Nursery (England) catalogues as the owner was connected.
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