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Isn't this one:
Moonlight (LCl, Kordes, 2004)[KORklemol]
Climber, Large-Flowered Climber. Apricot - yellow, ages to light yellow. Strong, fruity, spice fragrance. Medium, double (17-25 petals), cluster-flowered, in small clusters bloom form. Occasional repeat later in the season. USDA zone 5b and warmer. Height of 8' 2" (250 cm). Width of 39" (100 cm). Tim Hermann Kordes (1995). 1 favorite vote. GOOD- overall member rating.
The buds and the flowers look a lot alike on this picture!
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jay-jay, i purchased this rugosa 3 years ago from Nancy Lindley at Great Lakes Roses and trust that she knows her stuff as she is a highly recognized rosarian. also, as soon as i saw 'thornless' in the moonlight description, i eliminated that notion. my rugelda is full of thorns! i will post another photo or two so you can see the form and the other colors of the blooms and maybe that will tell the tale.
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#2 of 9 posted
21 JUN 10 by
 Jay-Jay
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Hello whiteviolet,
Thank You for Your quick response! And that You're so kind to take some more pictures.
I took some pictures of my "Moonlight" (I bought mine at nursery Bierkreek,kwekerij,de), and it isn't thornless at all. I will upload them at the "Moonlight"-page. Then I saw on my pictures from the Rosarium of Winschoten, that it isn't thornless there too!
I frowned my head, called Kordes in Germany and talked to Mr. Kirchhoff. He told me Moonlight wasn't thornless at all, but he couldn't really tell me the difference between the flowers of "Rugelda" and "Moonlight": The only difference he could tell me was that "Rugelda" had a bit more thorns (an upright shrub), and that "Moonlight" could grow a little bit higher (a climber).
Moonlight has a different name now: Klettermaxe "Moonlight". The person I spoke to, didn't know about the name KORklemol! He only knew about Klettermaxe.
You maybe could visit their site.
Would it be possible for You to load up some photo's of the stems and thorns? Thanks again, greetings from Jay-Jay.
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hi again, jay-jay. i know what it's like to run across a puzzle and feel the need to solve it! perhaps my photos will help. i will try to load them into this reply like you did and will let you know if i have trouble with that.
i am not a rosarian! just like a few roses that are easy to grow and resistant to rose plagues so this rugosa is one of my favorites for those reasons. you may be able to tell from my photos that i am no expert at pruning either! this is my 3rd season with Rugelda and last summer it overgrew its 6' tall obelisk. this spring i cut it back about half way and already it is 6' tall again. also, i think the form of the flower, the colors in the bud, and the stem colors look different from yours. maybe that info will help you make your determination?
let me know what you decide!
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#4 of 9 posted
21 JUN 10 by
Jay-Jay
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Hello Whiteviolet,
Great pictures! It's easy now You sent these pictures of the stems (with lots and lots of thorns) of "Rugelda". They look a lot like the ones from a Rugosa-hybrid. Unlike the stems of "Moonlight".
I must admit You where right and I was wrong, fooled by Rugelda's flowers!
It looks as if "Rugelda" feels at home at Your place, when it already reaches the height of "Moonlight"!
Thanks again for Your Reply and taking the time for doing so. By the way: I also ain't a rosarian, but always interested and anxious to learn!
Have a good summerstart, Jay-Jay.
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jay-jay, when i saw that one photo you had posted with the sunset colors, it looked exactly like my photo! easy to think they were the same! i don't know about moonlight but rugelda does have many color 'moods' including a very sunny yellow minus the rosie glow. from our exchanged i learned that it's important to compare all the parts of a plant in order to make an accurate identification. thank you for this valuable learning opportunity! and happy summer solstice to you!
wv
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#6 of 9 posted
22 JUN 10 by
Jay-Jay
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As You can see "Moonlight" has different colour 'moods' too.
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beautiful photos of a beautiful rose!!
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Yes, but 'Moonlight' doesn't look at all like moonlight to me...
And the HM 'Moonlight' is certainly still in commerce. I'm just saying it was an inappropriate name for Warriner and Olsen to use, let alone for Kordes to use twice in one year.
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#9 of 9 posted
24 JUN 10 by
Jay-Jay
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I Agree!
Even the person I spoke to at Kordes didn't know about the other "Moonlight" of them, The Florist Rose.
Let us use the name KORklemol for a healthy and colourfull, nice rose!
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