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Might be Ghislaine de Féligonde... Please photograph the leafs and petioles, the habit and prickles.
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I now have a Ghislaine de Feligonde that came from a nursery with a label, and that's why I think this rose is not Ghislaine ... this one's blooms are much bigger, and it grows more upright. I haven't been able to identify it yet, so next summer I will surely upload more photos of the rose's details - it's such a beauty, and a vigorous grower and healthy, too.
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How would it compare with Penelope?
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It certainly has the appearance of Penelope.
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Thank you for your suggestion. I believe you are right! I think why I ignored Penelope as a candidate was my conception of Penelope as a shrub rose, while I saw mine as a climber. When I got it last year, still in its nursery pot, it put out a 2 meter cane that now is nearly 1 cm in diameter. This year, it's still confined to a pot in the ground (a bit larger), waiting for its place in the garden to be ready, and still behaves like a climber (same growth form as New Dawn a little further away).
Would that style of growth contradict the identification of my rose as Penelope? I have to add that, unfortunately, I'm not being nice to it, yet. Currently it lives on the north-facing wall of a house, seeing one or two sunrays in the evening, if at all. That would encourage climbing, or elongating, wouldn't it?
It's a brilliant rose - even in this horrible spot, in a pot, it's healthy and growing!
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Absolutely not! "Hybrid Musk" roses are based upon multiflora and are almost all eventual climbers. In all but the harshest climates, most require some pretty stiff pruning to prevent them from climbing. Provide most of them with any support such as a wall or trellis, and they will willingly "climb".
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Yes, I can see the similarities in the blooms! Now that I'm comparing photos of Penelope and my Mystery rose, I can't help but wonder how I could NOT see them in the first place. I must have browsed a couple of hundred roses in HMF, Penelope must have been among them...
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That's completely understandable. Until your focus is drawn to a particular possibility, your vision is too wide. Once you have something with which to compare your rose, it's much easier to see similarities. Picking them out of thin air without that focus is the trick!
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Thank you so much for your encouragement! There is a lot I have to learn about roses, but it's such a worthwhile subject, and with time, experience, and helpful people I hope to get better at a steady rate.
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You will, don't worry. All it takes is the passion. Everything else will make its own time. Good luck!
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