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‘Paul Ricault’ or ‘Paul Perras’?
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4 MAY 19 by
Tessie
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Definitely not Paul Perras which is a compact, pale pink rose, that sets hips. This is a dark pink climbing rose that sets no hips. Very thorny and suckers some. It was sold to me many years ago as Paul Ricault and fits the description of Paul Ricault. I don't understand how a pale pink compact rose can be suggested for the identity of this rose on HMF. The descriptions aren't even close.
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It does look quite like the found rose I identified as 'Paul Ricault' but was later told by a reliable source that it was 'Paul Perras' I didn't know that most of the roses in commerce sold as 'Paul Ricault' are in fact 'Paul Perras' in the U.K. It doesn't sucker but is prickly and lax in growth. I grow it up on wires so it gets a bit more air movement and possibly less blackspot.
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Tessie, I am inclined to agree with you. I am sure I have the same rose as you and I had identified my rose as 'Paul Ricault'. My big, arching. deep pink, spring-only rose sets no hips. I was convinced by the 'Paul Ricault' photo caption, below, to move my photos (and reference) from 'Paul Ricault' to 'Paul Perras'. However, because of the early references to setting hips in 'Paul Perras', I think my roses might be better off in a foundling name file called "Mackereth Cottage -S.A." and "Date Palm Rose - W.A."
I can't really comment on a foundling rose from another country ("The Crepe Rose') but the 2007 reference in 'Paul Perras' indicates that it is the same as the Australian foundlings.
Photo Id: 316130
"Photo taken at The Friends of Vintage Roses, May 2018, Sebastopol, CA. This we believe to be the true Paul Ricault. As all other HMF images appear to be showing Paul Perras, the "Crepe Rose", we wanted to share this. This plant came from Mike Lowe's own-root rose nursery in the 1990s under the name 'Paul Ricault à Fleures Pourpres', a name that does not show up in the literature. He imported this from a European nursery, and we believe that perhaps the prevailing misconception of the time that Paul Perras was actually Paul Ricault may have led the nursery to create that name, as a way of explaining the much deeper, redder color of the rose. This is however the color that is described repeatedly in earlier literature. The plant moreover has the foliage and stance of a Hybrid China/early HP, with a color that at the time was rich and brilliant, showing the Chinensis influence found in others like William Jesse, Malton and Brennus."
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The rose is just starting to bloom, although because it has so many petals it takes ages to open fully. I'll post pictures when it is completely out.
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I think Gregg's point was that the early references describe Paul Ricault as a crimson-red rose (or in one, deep purple).
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Thank you everybody. I am much happier with the ‘Paul Ricault’ identification.
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Would anyone like to comment whether this rose is 'Paul Perras' or 'Paul Ricault'?
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