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Every single photo of 'Penelope' in the file except this one shows a smooth regular outline to the leaf margin. This one shows a rather wavy, undulating edge (as well as the other photo under this person's profile). It's also the only photo here where the rose exhibits red to "blackish crimson" instead of a more carmine colour. This definitely appears to be a different rose to the others, and considering it is a named old specimen according to the poster surely must be correct. Do any of the tea ladies know if this one has been propagated and observed?
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Photo 8020, to my eyes, appears to be ‘General Gallieni’.
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The earlier one from the same gardener doesn't, though. We have tried to contact her in the past but she doesn't accept private messages. It would of course be valuable to try to propagate this one for study, to find one that isn't indistinguishable from Hugo Roller.
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27 JUN 19 by
 HubertG
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I agree with Margaret - it doesn't look the same as 'General Gallieni'. I'd bet on this rose being the correct variety, based upon the two photos, the similarity to the Lockley illustration, the large guard petals, colouring etc, the location (northern NSW) and the old named provenance.
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I hope so, and that someone can find her. But "old named provenance" "came from the Williams nursery" applies to many of the Penelope candidates around, which look identical to Hugo Roller.
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