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Cliff's New California Low Desert Garden
Discussion id : 166-917
most recent 23 APR HIDE POSTS
Initial post 23 APR by Bug_girl
Hi Cliff! Just found your garden. The high desert one was so impressive! This low desert one ain't too bad either! What happened with all the roses you had at your old nursery? I am just hoping they are somewhere in a garden or a collection or something. The amount of roses that you had is amazing!
Reply #1 of 2 posted 23 APR by Cliff
When the decision was made to close the nursery and dig up most of the thousands of roses in the garden, we then spent well over a year sending out to our mailing list constantly updated inventories of roses available to be dug up, bare rooted, packed and shipped. Many of these were large plants and my overriding objective was to ensure that as many of these roses as possible found good homes in gardens across the country. This required employing a crew full time for what proved to be very time and labor intensive work. We charged actual shipping costs and an amount of each rose that allowed us to approach break even and pay the crew over this extended period of time. I can assure you that there was no profit built in whatsoever, but gave me the satisfaction that the great majority of this collection of mostly rare roses, which were originally imported from Europe, would continue to be grown in a wide variety of gardens.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 23 APR by Bug_girl
Thank you for the quick reply Cliff. It makes my heart happy that they are somewhere out there! Extinct rose varieties are a huge bummer. And I hope that no one would begrudge you making a profit. You earned it.
Discussion id : 113-171
most recent 22 SEP 18 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 21 SEP 18 by UrbanRoseMan
So glad to find your new garden Cliff. Always wondered what you were up to after closing Eurodesert. Thanks for sharing your great photos.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 22 SEP 18 by Cliff
Thanks for your kind comment. My garden continues to decrease in size each year, I'm afraid. It's become more and more difficult to maintain a large rose gardens as the years advance (in terms of my age) and as the long, hot desert summers continue to get worse year after year.
Discussion id : 91-594
most recent 23 MAR 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 19 MAR 16 by CarolynB
Hi Cliff,

I'm considering adding the rose Welsh Gold to my garden. I see that you grow it, and that your climate is similar to mine. Will you tell me about your experience with it, with regard to disease resistance, bloom quantity and frequency, level of thorniness, and fragrance? (The HMF description page says it has a strong fragrance, but doesn't say what kind of fragrance.)

Thank you for any information you can give me.

Reply #1 of 2 posted 23 MAR 16 by Cliff
I've just returned from a few weeks in Boston visiting my mother, whose health has been in a steady decline for quite some time and found your message,Carolyn.

At first I didn't recognize the name of the rose, as I bought and grew it as Welwyn Garden Glory, which is its ARS Approved Exhibition name and I hadn't heard the name Welsh Gold. In any event, I did import this rose and grew it in my garden in the high desert when I owned EuroDesert Roses. I do not have it in my current garden in the low desert, so I am unable to give you any information on how it might do for you in this climate.

It was an attractive rose in the high desert, but in all honesty wasn't a standout. I would imagine that its blooms would be smaller in this warmer environment. I have absolutely no specific recollections about it. I had roughly 5,000 roses in the ground in my display garden in the high desert, in addition to the 10,000 roses I usually had in inventory at the nursery, so I had precious little free time. This meant that a rose really had to have something exceptional that caught my attention, and this rose didn't rise to that level.

I'm sorry that I can't offer you more encouragement, I don't know how many roses you now grow, but I saw that you had 22 roses in 2008. Even if you now have several times that number in your garden, I would think that there are many, many roses which will do far better for you than Welwyn Garden Glory (Welsh Gold).

Best of luck to you,

Reply #2 of 2 posted 23 MAR 16 by Cliff

I hope the response I just wrote was sent successfully. Please let me know if you didn't receive it.

Discussion id : 83-612
most recent 28 APR 15 SHOW ALL
Initial post 9 MAR 15 by styrax

Can you spare a cutting of 'Angelita Ruaix' ? Of course, I will cover costs...
Reply #1 of 2 posted 15 MAR 15 by Cliff
I've had a look and there's nothing that I could send at this time. Please check back with me in about six weeks and I'll look again.

Reply #2 of 2 posted 28 APR 15 by styrax
About 6 weeks past. How is it doing?
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