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Roseraie du Val-de-Marne à l'Haÿ-les-roses
Discussion id : 123-911
most recent 16 NOV 20 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 15 NOV 20 by Salamandre
Unfortunately, Unique Panachée(Madame Chaussée, 1821) doesn't exist any more in Roseraie du Val de Marne, France.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 16 NOV 20 by jedmar
Yes, they seem to have lost their last "pied" in 2012. The next one from Loubert was removed the same day it was planted. Thank you for keeping us posted.
Discussion id : 6-662
most recent 15 JUN 05 SHOW ALL
Initial post 16 JUL 04 by anonymous-39183
There seems to be questions on how to get to the roseraie. The Roseraie of Val-de-Marne in l'Haÿ-les-Roses is located at:
Rue Albert Watel
94240 l'Haÿ-les-Roses
TEL: (33) 1 47 40 04 04

Annual opening:
According to the blooming season, from mid-May to mid-September,
from 10:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m.

My friend Jean-Renaud writes that there are other times of the year when it is a sight to behold. In early March, for example, when it is all trimmed and the buds are just starting to sprout !! What a sight. Almost as breathtaking as when in full bloom. Indeed, it is closed at that time, but if you are a member of the association, there are possibilities...

The Assocication, "Les Amis de la Roseraie du Val-de-Marne", was formed to express the interests of the rose and its historical significance at l'Haÿ-les-Roses. The Association is made up of amateurs, growers, hybridizers, collectors, and scientists at the international level. Members study, preserve, popularize and support the roses and the art of the garden, as well as its future extension at Vitry-sur-Seine.

To become a member of the association "Les Amis de la Roseraie du Val-de-Marne" please contact:
Les Amis de la Roseraie du Val-de-Marne
Rue Albert Watel
94240 l'Haÿ-les-Roses

Access by automobile: 8 km south of Paris
- Porte d'Orléans, then RN 20
- A 86, then RN 126
- follow the signs for L'Haÿ-les-Roses, then for Roseraie du Val-de-Marne

Public Transport:
- RER line B to Bourg-la-Reine, then bus n° 192/172
- Porte d'Italie metro station, then bus n° 186/184
(on public holidays n° 286)

Entrance fee: Standard - 3.0 Euro  Groups and children - 1.5 Euro
Reply #1 of 6 posted 28 APR 05 by Unregistered Guest
This garden lists as one of its cultivars the rose Valencia (Kordes 1967). How can this be confirmed? I am highly suspicious because: 1) Kordes has used the name Valencia three times in the past thirty-eight years, 2) Valencia (Kordes 1989) is the one more widely recognized and grown, 3) To my knowledge, Kordes sold the exclusive rights to the earlier Valencia to Jackson & Perkins, who subsequently made it their Rose of the Year in 1967. In other words, it was never made available in Europe. I am so determined to find this rose that I just might plan a trip to France! Please tell me what you know of this. Thank you for your time. Bob Marker, San Francisco, CA
Reply #2 of 6 posted 29 APR 05 by AmiRoses
Here it is! We have to wait for the bloom now!
Reply #3 of 6 posted 30 APR 05 by HMF Admin

Do you mind if we move some of your information to the "Notes". Thanks for your help !

It would be REALLY great to have someone from the garden use the JOURNAL tab to record daily or weekly activity. Also, I hope they understand the are free to post their events on the EVENTS tab.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 1 MAY 05 by Unregistered Guest
Sorry, I just now received the thumbnail picture that is shown with this post. Your name marker says: "Valencia" 1967, KOReklia. You see, this is the kind of careless nomenclature that is causing me a headache in my search for Valencia 1967!KOReklia is the coded name for New Valencia 1989, NOT the 1967 version. The 1967 Valencia never was assigned a coded name (KORxxxxx), because its introduction preceeded that practise. Therefore, I stand by all of my previous comments (see above). Thanking you for your interest and wishing you all the best in the future. Bob Marker, San Francisco, CA
Reply #5 of 6 posted 15 JUN 05 by AmiRoses
Here is the bloom.
which one do you think it is?
Reply #6 of 6 posted 15 JUN 05 by Unregistered Guest
Your picture definitely depicts the newer Valencia (1989) aka KOReklia. The earlier Valencia (1967) is more of a copper-gold-orange blend. If you are familiar with roses like Oldtimer (Coppertone), Brandy, About Face, Charming would have a better idea as to the color of the older Valencia. Again, thanks for your interest and your thoughtful dialogue. Bob Marker, San Francisco, CA
Discussion id : 6-660
most recent 15 JUL 04 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 15 JUL 04 by Anonymous-48557
In 1968, the County Council of Val-de-Marne purchased the property. The garden is now known as the Roseraie of Val-de-Marne at l'Haÿ-les-Roses. The Council has made a clear desire to continue the work of its predecessors as well as give new life to the Rose Garden.
For more info on the garden, please see You will also find a photogallery of the rose garden, general information and history, as well as directions.
Daphne Filiberti
26 May 2003
Discussion id : 3-492
most recent 11 DEC 03 SHOW ALL
Initial post 24 AUG 03 by Unregistered Guest
My wife and I will be in France in late September and October until the 11th. We would like to find information on how best to get to L'Hay-les- Roses from Paris by public transport. I'm amazed how difficult it has been to get details when a multitude of other sites in and around Paris are in a variety of books and numerous internet sites. Any help would be appreciated.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 11 DEC 03 by Esther Czekalski
I realize that it's too late for your trip but I'm posting anyway, for others or in case you deferred your trip.

I write custom guidebooks for garden visits, in fact, in October I was checking for the best bus routes to L'Hay. Since I book the hotels in most cases I give very detailed instructions in my Personal Guides, but here's the short version. See for more info on the Personal Guides.

I have people take bus 47 from the left bank neighborhood where they stay to Port d'Italie (NOT Place, d'Italie, a whole different thing). If you aren't staying on the left bank, you may find your way here by bus or there is a metro station, too. At Port d'Italie, Find bus 184, direction L'Hay les Roses - Les Blondeaux. While many buses stop on Avenue de la Pte d'Italie, bus184 stops right next to it on a cross street in order to make its turnaround easy.

There are many stops, some of which are just on demand but there are maps with the stops displayed all over the bus. You want to exit at Sous Prefecture Eglise. (The stop before is rue des Jardins). You will see the old church accross the street from the bus stop, walk past it keeping it on your left and you will see a cobbled courtyard that leads to the Gardens. Once in the Gardens, the rosarie is on your left.

It was pretty cold and wet when I was there in late October. Roses were pretty much over. I checked over the directions and then amazed the bus driver by meeting the same bus back into Paris. From the left bank neighborhood it took about an hour for the trip but watching the buses thread through those older, close-in suburbs was entertainment in itself.
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