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'Francis Dubreuil' rose Reviews & Comments
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Soupert & Notting 1909-10 catalogue p.23
Francis Dubreuil (Dubreuil 1895) cramoisi pourpré velouté, reflets cerise et amarante, fl.tr.gr......vig.
(crimson, velvet purple, cherry and amaranth reflexes, very big flower, vigorous.)
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Bob, you wonderful Canadian...
Is there any possibility that you could get your hands (or eyes) on a copy of the 1914 Annual of the Rose Society of Ontario? There is a color photo of a bouquet containing 'Francis Dubreuil' along with four other roses.
There is an online scan at Biodiversity Heritage Library, but the photo is blurry and leaves much to be desired.
I hope you are well,
Virginia
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Wow what a find!
Unfortunately I can't have any access to that.
But if it's any consolation, I doubt if the original copy would be any better.
I tried to extract the image but it's blurry as you said....
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Thanks, Bob- I thought you might have a "magic source", so I delayed posted that photo until I knew you didn't. You're probably right that the photo's likely to be blurry in all of the annuals.
I think I've mentioned this before, but my favorite candidate for the real 'Francis Dubreuil' is the Aussie foundling, "Kombacy Elyena". A lot of similarities (at least I think so), including some controversy over fragrance.
Cheers,
Virginia
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No more magic source.
I checked Kombacy Elyena. Intriguing rose, though the size doesn't seem to correspond to the six feet or more height, if memory serves me right....
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I've added a comment under "K E".
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Which of these roses do you think is 'Francis Dubreuil', and which 'General MacArthur'?
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#8 of 16 posted
14 JUN 18 by
 HubertG
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I think 'Francis Dubreuil' is the sole dark red rose at the bottom. The flower amongst the white ones could be General MacArthur, or perhaps a Chatenay which is a bit in shadow as it looks a bit dark pink and scrolled, but I don't think it's FD. It would be a hand coloured photo, so the value is in the form more so than the colour. What do others think?
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That's my opinion also. I think the only 'Francis Dubreuiul' bloom is the lower, deeper coloured one.
General MacArthur tends to open like the red rose on the right, with the central petals standing up while the outer petals reflex so that for a time there is this separation between the central and outer petals.
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from The 1914 Annual of the Rose Society of Ontario, p. 31:
"The Lumiere Plates
The heartiest thanks of the Society are due to Sir Edmund Osier, M.P., and to Mr. J. T. Moore of Moore Park, for their great kindness in allowing Mr. Freemantle, who prepared the slides, to show the lovely lumieres or sun-taken color photographs of flowers grown by Mr. Allan in Sir Edmund's conservatory at Craigleigh, and of roses grown by Mr. Bryson at Moore Park. They elicited the warmest admiration and were shown by request on more than one occasion. By the kindness and generosity of Mr. Moore, four of those in his possession appear in this Annual. This intricate and wonderful process was exemplified in its highest development by Mr. Freemantle's skill and the flowers were most realistic in the truth of their colors, painted by Nature herself. We have gone far in photographing in natural colors, and Mr. Freemantle has brought the art to something undreamed of only a few years ago."
About Lumieres: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autochrome_Lumière
These were color photographs, and it seems that the color reproduction was very good. There may have been some color "touch-ups" by the photo-engravers for the purpose of publication, however.
I agree that the dark red bloom near the bottom is 'Francis Dubreuil', and am on the fence about the bloom surrounded (and obscured) by the white roses.
Virginia
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#11 of 16 posted
14 JUN 18 by
HubertG
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That's fascinating about the Lumiere slides. Imagine if there were still more of those slides in the possession of one of the families of those mentioned, and there was a cache of Francis Dubreuil ones.
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#12 of 16 posted
5 JUL 18 by
HubertG
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I've found and posted a couple of illustrations of 'Francis Dubreuil' from the Dingee catalogues.
Here's the description from the 1898 'New Guide to Rose Culture' which accompanies the illustration.
"Novelties in Roses.
... Francois Dubreuil. This is a grand new variety of great merit. The flowers are unusually large, double and full, and in color are deep vivid crimson, with rich velvety shadings. The buds are large, long and pointed; splendid for cutting. It is a strong, vigorous grower and a free continuous bloomer. Fine for open-ground work."
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It's funny how the drawings are so different......
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Hubert, I enlarged your uploaded photos. Hope you don't mind. Great job!
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#15 of 16 posted
6 JUL 18 by
HubertG
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True-Blue, no not at all, looks good. Just looking at these Dingee catalogue illustrations the consistent characteristic is the slightly recurving petal edges; and they aren't as long-budded as the Rosen-Zeitung painting makes out. This recurving matches the Garden Illustrated 1906 photo, but less so the Betten engraving. I've come to appreciate these hokey little catalogue drawings more and more, because even if they aren't 'naturalistic', they are useful if you look at them in context and compare them to other illustrations of the same type.
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Thanks for pointing that out to me. I can finally see :-)
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