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Initial post 11 JUN by pps
Rosa x centifolia L. is dominant in its parentage: fully double, tight ruffle of petals, light green button-eye, well fragrant, arching stems, pinnate leaves of 5 or 7 leaflets. But which descendant is it?

In my garden the height is 185 cm. The width would be 200 to 250 cm if I would not prune, as heavy blossoms pull down the slender arching stems to the ground.
Stems are full of thorns, almost like a Rosa rugosa.
Bloom diameter is 8 cm, flat cups when fully open, symmetrically organized. Some, but not all blossoms look clearly quartered. The worst of all my roses in terms of self-cleaning.
7 or 5 leaflets. Mature foliage dark green, matte, elongated oval, grained surface, small tip, medium to fine serration. Young foliage light yellow-green, strongly folded upwards along the center vein.
In my clay-heavy garden free of black spot and powdery mildew, but strongly attracting aphids. I am spraying neem oil every second day or heavily sucked buds rot before opening.
Grafted on a rootstock that strongly sprouts shoots with almost no thorns.

Blooms of 'Thalie la Gentille', 'Belle sans Flatterie' and 'Fantin Latour' look much alike. But 'Thalie la Gentille' and 'Belle sans Flatterie' are documented with a max. height of 120 cm while my rose reaches 185 cm. 'Fantin Latour' on the other hand id documented to reach 200 to 300 cm, higher than my mature 185 cm rose.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 12 JUN by Patricia Routley
A photo would help.
Is it anything like "Mrs. Something (Q'ld. AUS)”?
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 12 JUN by pps
Hi Patricia,

Only now I could upload one photo. Sorry!

Comparing with the photos you uploaded, my rose has much more thorns on the stems. Also the flower colors may differ. Mrs. Something (Q'ld. AUS)' pink color appears slightly more lilac. Mine is straight pink.
The Mrs. Something (Q'ld. AUS) description says "Blue-green, edged purple-red foliage". Mine has no purple-red in the foliage at any time in the year, but slightly yellowish mid green turning darker blueish green.
Mrs. Something (Q'ld. AUS)' "Height: 8' (245cm)" is also taller. My rose is 185 cm tall and mature since 20+ years.
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