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I have a rose, got from a rooted cutting, that is clearly a Bengale and, trying to identify it, I was faced with the dilemma: Pompon de Paris (1839) or Rosa Rouletii (1922)? As far as I understood, these early miniature roses differ mostly in the “climbing” habit so I would lean to the “climber” Pompon! However, reading Catalogue descriptif methodique et raisonnè..…. 1829 I found at pag 185 a "725. BENGALE POMPON D’AUTOMNE, V. Rameaux fastigiés. Fleur petite, pleine ou multiple, carnée ou lilas pale. La première floraison est souvent imparfaite"
I was very impressed by this description as the most tricking characteristic of my rose is the .. fastigiated branch! As far as you know, is there a relationship among the 1829 rose and the other two? ... I wish to address my rose with its correct name!
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#1 of 7 posted
30 APR 09 by
 Cass
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Hi.
I have a couple of bad photos of Pompon de Paris from la Roseraie de l'Haÿ. One shows the basal canes with their prickles. The other shows the very typical shape of the leaves. Because of size limits on HMF, I've put these up on my own site, so you can see them full size. First, the label and the basal canes:
http://rosefog.us/TemporaryImages/PomponDeParis.jpg
Next, the foliage:
http://rosefog.us/TemporaryImages/PomponDeParisClimbing.jpg
Hope this helps!
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#2 of 7 posted
30 APR 09 by
Cà Berta
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Thank you Cass,
your photos certainly support my first bet! Still they highlight the different characteristic of my rose that to me (very ignorant ) looked so peculiar: close and short branches bearing the flowers that make the main cane look like a flowered rod! I do not know if this depends on the fact that the plant is rather young (two years from cutting) and if later it will assume the Pompon de Paris’ facet that your photos depict.
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#3 of 7 posted
30 APR 09 by
Cass
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The gardeners at the Roserarie prune and train their roses very closely. I would not decide much about a plant's growth from that garden. Also, it your plant budded or grafted? Or is it on it's own roots? Everything at the Roseraie seems to be budded to a very vigorous rootstock.
I see that Pompon de Paris is available in Italy. I think you need to visit to make a comparison in person. As someone I know says, "Common things are common." When we are looking for identities, the more common roses are the first place to check.
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#4 of 7 posted
30 APR 09 by
Cà Berta
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I started the rose by rooting a cutting that I got somewhere (I do not remember where) and that I mislabeled (Rosa richardii). As you said , Pompon de Paris is sold in Italy and so it is a likely candidate; I will follow your suggestion and go to a nursery that sells it and has a lovely garden where they show their beauties!! Thank you
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#5 of 7 posted
20 APR 11 by
Kacie
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It looks a lot like my Climbing Old Blush. You might want to check that out.
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#6 of 7 posted
21 APR 11 by
Cà Berta
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Hello Kacie,
thank you for your suggestion. I have been checking the rose for a long time now and I reached the conclusion (never definitive ...) that it is Pompon de Paris. The flowers and also the leaflets are tiny and it has the general feature of a miniature rose although its branches may be 1,5 - 2 m long.
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#7 of 7 posted
21 APR 11 by
Kacie
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That does sound more like PPdeP. I had it for quite a while and the small leaves are pretty typical. Unfortunately it was on the inside of the chain link fence and the dogs finally got the best of it because they love to run up and down the fence and finally compacted the soil too much.
I have Rouletti as well and have always thought that PPdeP might be a climbing version. My flowers were a little bigger but very much like it.
Where I live (Tucson Arizona) the China's, Teas, and Noisettes do wonderfully.
Kacie
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