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'L'Ouche' rose Reviews & Comments
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The (or a ) rose sold in Australia as L'Ouche behaves much more like a Bourbon than a China, waving long arms. How big does it grow elsewhere?
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In the photos section, one of the ones from Petals and Buds in SA is captioned "With a heavenly scent and a willingness to bloom and bloom, a top little rose." Maybe the 'little rose' reference indicates a rose of small stature in SA. Maybe there are a few forms going around here too. Mine came from MD. Newly planted yesterday...
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It's been suggested that what Ruston's had as L'Ouche was in fact Louise Odier. I can see how that could happen, alphabetically; but it may have been the source of budwood for other nurseries.
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I bought 'L'Ouche' some years ago from the (highly reputable) nursery La Campanella. The longer it lived in my garden, the less it looked to me like a China and the more like a Bourbon, specifically, 'Louise Odier'. I don't know where La Campanella got its mother plant from. It is certainly interesting, then, to find this discussion here on HMF.
'Louise Odier' seems to go around in disguise a lot. I received it twice as 'Jacques Cartier', if I remember correctly, once from a nursery and once as cuttings from a gardener who had it under that name. I would guess that his original plant came from the same nursery that my misnamed plant came from.
Additional note: Is there anyone who sells a 'L'Ouche' that is actually a China and can make a fair claim to be the original variety? I seem to remember seeing it in the Antique Rose Emporium catalog quite a few years ago now; in fact, that's where I first heard of this rose.
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I have looked at the photos of the hips in the 'Louise Odier'' listing and mine don't look the same. Mine did not go red, as shown in some photos, but stayed yellow, and mine were less symmetrical and more pear shaped than the ones shown, tapering more slowly towards the peduncle. These may be superficial differences that will vary in time. Don has listed photos of the seeds and has stated in the past that the phenotype of the seed is strongly determined by the seed parent and so represents a good diagnostic feature. I didn't grab a photo of the hips on mine but I did collect the seeds with a view to germinating a few. Here is a photo of the seeds I collected from my "L 'Ouche". These have been stored for about 4 weeks now in a paper envelope so are quite dry. For comparison, here is a link to Don's photo of LO's seeds: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.106952 . Growth of mine is very unChina-like and very Bourbon-like.. long arching whippy canes.
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