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Knight, Joseph
Discussion id : 101-701
most recent 6 JUL 17 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 30 JUN 17 by CybeRose
Roses; Or, A Monograph of the Genus Rosa - Volume 2 (1828)
Henry Charles Andrews
Our drawing was made from plants in the Nursery of Mr. Knight, who first raised them in the year 1816 by importations received from a Bengal vessel, and called them Rosa Bengalensis rubra et alba. They are, however, only seminal varieties from the common China Rose. Their period of inflorescence is mostly during the summer and autumnal months; and when occasionally flowering under the influence of a cold atmosphere, the pale variety acquires such an accession of colour, that it appears a very different Rose from what it is when the sun's rays so far extract its colour, that it requires to be looked at in the shade to ascertain whether it is a white or a pale blush colour.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 1 JUL 17 by jedmar
"The Botanist's Manual: A Catalogue of Hardy, Exotic and Indigenous Plants", by Richard Morris, 1824, p.4-41:
Rosa
Bengalensis alba, light China, China, 3 ft, whitish
Bengalensis Rubra, red China, China, 3 ft., red
indica, pale China, [China], 2 ft, pink

Is the first possibly "White China"? Redouté's 'Rosa indica subalba'?
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 6 JUL 17 by CybeRose
Jedmar,
Yes, I think the "subalba" is one of Cartier's seedlings. It is probably the one mentioned by Ventenat as growing in Cels' garden.

2. Le citoyen Cels cultive deux varietes de la Rosa diversifolia; l'une dont les fleurs sont presque doubles, et l'autre dont *les petales sont blanchatres.*

Karl

ps. I misread your note. 'Bengalensis alba' was Knight's seedling, not Cartier's. It and 'Bengalensis rubra' were also mentioned together by R. Morris (1824), Sarah Mackie (1825) and W. Masters (1831),
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Discussion id : 101-129
most recent 21 JUN 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 JUN 17 by CybeRose
William Prince (1825) listed these roses he attributed to Knight. No descriptions, though.
1424 Knight's bichonia
1425 Knight's resplendent
1426 Knight's regent
1427 Knight's morduersa
1428 Knight's animating
1429 Knight's invincible
1430 Knight's grand brilliant
1431 Knight's exuberant

Prince's 1832 catalogue adds some description:
Knight's bichonia, partially striped
Knight's resplendent, fine, full double dark purple
Knight's regent, semi double red velvet
Knight's animating, very sweet
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