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As regards Radiosa, I can only say 1) the Technical Report (1953 p16) says this: (Mrs Pierre S. du Pont x J.C. Thornton) Full bud, orange-red. Flower of 45 substantial petals, bright salmon, yellow towards the base; base golden yellow. Strong neck. Vigorous plant. Before 1952; 2) In that report the rose is given a Staz. Sp. code and it was given in concession to Sig. Giovanni Bregliano to cultivate; 3) half the photographs you post show a rose that could be called bright salmon and half are of a much softer light pink; 4) As far as I know, Aicardi never used either 'Mrs. Pierre S. du Pont' or 'J.C.Thornton' in his breeding programme, but the Stazione Sperimentale certainly did..
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#1 of 6 posted
23 SEP 12 by
 jedmar
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The photos of 'Radiosa' of Aicardi show the same rose, which expands in orange and then fades to salmon-pink and pink. This would fit to the colour description of the San Remo 'Radiosa'. Unfortunately, we have no contemporary description of Aicardi's cultivar, so cannot totally exclude a mislabeling at Cavriglia.
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#2 of 6 posted
3 OCT 12 by
Cà Berta
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If you check the references you will find that the first report of Radiosa by Aicardi is in Cocker and Pizzetti's book “Il libro dei Fiori” and the only other is in its English translation “Flowers: a guide for your garden”.
In Italian floricultural magazines of the time there is no sign of it. In the references (1955 and 1957) the latest rose put on the market (1953) by Aicardi is Cristoforo Colombo. In a magazine of 1953 are reported two other roses A. 76 and A. 75 by Aicardi but they both were red so they can hardly be the 1956 Radiosa.
Sic stantibus rebus, it is very likely that only one Radiosa exists and it is by Staz. Sp. Sanremo.
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You say that the last rose put on the market by Aicardi was Cristoforo Colombo (1953). That may be right since marketing is a stage beyond registering. Nonetheless, I would like to point out that two Aicardi roses were registered at the San Remo Exp. Sta. in 1956. The first of these, Camilla (Fiamma x Talisman), a strawberry red HT, was registered on 5 January (cross in 1951, sown 1952, selected 1954); the second, Oscar ((Impero x Pinuccia), a red-salmon bicolour with a yellow base, was registered on 19 June (cross 1951, sown 1952, selected 1954) as the property not of Aicardi but of Carlo Olivieri.
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#4 of 6 posted
3 OCT 12 by
Cà Berta
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Thank you for your well documented informations that, although showing that Cristoforo Colombo was not the last Aicardi rose, confirm the absence of "technical references" as far as his Radiosa goes.
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#5 of 6 posted
4 OCT 12 by
jedmar
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Oscar and Pinuccia are missing in the database. Any more info on the latter?
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I'm afraid not. The information I set out comes from the San Remo Exp. Sta. register's details regarding 'Oscar'.
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I'm not sure of the policy of listing non-named varieties not selected for commercial use but only for breeding purposes. It seems to me that this would lead to a considerable inflation and consequent devaluation of output. In the case in point, the San Remo Experimental Station, it would be possible to add perhaps another fifty "names" on this basis. Of course, it may be that some of the names were no more than mnemonics and not proper names at all. That is hard to judge, and my dividing line in this case would remain with the act of going beyond just a code to actual naming. I say "in this case", because the Stazione never published a catalogue - otherwise I would see appearance on the breeder's catalogue as defining a variety's existence. (The rose named No.123 is different: this was a name not a code.)
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Regarding the possible confusion of Zandri's 'Romanina' and the Stazione Sperimentale's rose of the same name, I see from the photograph you give that Zandri's rose is pink while the Stazione's rose was dark red.
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It is difficult to draw up a complete list, but here are some additions to your list with the appropriate page references. Unless otherwise stated, these refer to the annual Technical Reports and are given as year and page number; thus the reference to Anna Vitali (below) is in the 1955 Report on page 14:
Anna Vitali (18.889 x M. Allen Richardson) 55-14;
Beatrice (Lieut. M. Rouger x JC Thornton) 41-8;
Carmela (1064 x Lawrence Johnston) 55-15;
Cristina (11.885 x 122.66) 55-13;
Enrica (60.309 x Hadley) 51-14;
Eva 51-14;
Georgina (Lele x Crimson Glory) 55-16 pre-51;
Mamma Fanny (Texas Centennial x Brasier) 55-15 pre-51;
Mirella (Lawrence Johnston x Fashion) 55-15
No. 123 33-9
Profumatissima 36-1;
Radiosa
Ramona 50-13
Rapture 50-13
Rapsodia (60.309 x 8.004) 50-13
Raso (Lele x Crimson Glory) 55-15 pre50 50-13
Reduce 50-13
Ricordo 50-13
Ricordo di Margherita della Cella (Hadley x Ulrich Brunner);
Rita (Maddalena x Velluto)
Ritorno (19.848 x Crimson Glory) 50-13 1949
Romanina (Lele x Profumatissima) 55-13 pre-51
Romanza (u) 50-12
Rubella (Lele x Gloria di Roma) 50-13
Rubino 50-13
Rubra (60.309 x Hadley ) (see Enrica)
Vincenzo Amoretti (Lele x 60.309) 55-14.
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#1 of 2 posted
15 SEP 12 by
jedmar
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Thank you for your valuable research and contribution! We have added the missing roses except Radiosa, Rapture and Ricordo. Can you confirm that the former two are distinct from those of Aicardi resp. Traendly & Schenck? Could the last 'Ricordo' be one of the other Rocordos of the San Remo station? We have listed 'Rubra' as distinct from 'Enrica', not as a synonym. Is that correct?
At the Roseto Carla Fineschi, there are a 'Cristina' and a 'Romanina', both assigned to Zandri. Could this be an error?
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Dear Jedmar,
You will see that I have, in every case, given the page number of the Stazione Sperimentale Techncal Report which cites that variety's name as having been the Stazione's own creation. In some cases, Like Cristina, I have also given the lineage which indicates the crosses effected by the Stazione where the codes refer to unmarketed varieties used for breeding. So I don't think there's much room for confusion here. We know from the 'Radar'/'Radar Italiano' example that the registration of a named variety by the Stazione didn't in practice prevent others using it and in other cases, Cristina is an example, the names weren't in fact registered so might easily have been used by others. In the case of 'Romanina' you will see that the parents are both Stazione varieties. I checked the 'Ricordo' myself and it doesn't seem to be a repeat of the others. I had intended to indicate that 'Rubra' is 'Enrica'.
Having said this, I'll do what I can to follow up your doubts, but this is pretty difficult.
Best wishes,
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