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Kathy Strong 
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Rose Listing Omission
Cepheus
From Highgarden Roses website (https://highgardenroses.com/collections/new-arrival/products/cepheus-french-florist-shrub-rose):
Cepheus French Florist Shrub Rose
This stunning pink shrub rose features large, full flowers with serrated petals. Its light pink outer petals contrast elegantly with the deeper pink center, and it releases a sweet, fruity fragrance. Blooming beautifully throughout the seasons, it's a delightful addition to any garden.
Color: Deep pink
Fragrance: Strong, fruity
Bloom form: Cupped
Bloom size: 4"-6"
Repeat bloomer: Yes
Shrub size: 2 1/2'-3 1/3'
Suitable for zones: 5-10
Origin: France
Breeder: Meilland
Year of introduction: 2012
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#1 of 9 posted
10 JAN by
jedmar
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This nursery is not listed on HelpMeFind. There is very little information on the web about them, except as being located in the Portland, Oregon area.
'Cepheus' as a Meilland trade name is unknown. Maybe someone from Meilland can comment?
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If anyone here is a customer of Portland Roses, maybe, right after you hand over the cash or card, you could gently suggest HMF as free advertising which reaches many dedicated rose gardeners.
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The seller might be located in Portland, but there is no physical nursery. I live in the greater metro.
This seems like yet another of those from Etsy, except I don't recognize the name from Etsy. There is no 'About'. Nothing that tells me its a site that might make your money disappear. It COULD be real, but I don't know that, and that's honestly their problem if they do not make it apparent.
Either way, if they are real, then its an atrocious place to root and sell florist varieties. Its a low light, low elevation, high rain area. So possibly somewhere warmer ships the product to them and other like-sellers. I don't know. It just feels off to me.
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OK, my error, it is Highgarden Roses. The website claims "grown and shipped from Portland, Oregon". No street address. They might be growing out seedlings provided by a wholesaler. There is a website, so not only Etsy.
I was interested by your description of propagation difficulties in the area. Is Heirloom at a higher elevation, not so wet? There was once Roy Hennesey's nursery, which I believe would have been not far from the mouth of the Willamette River. Did he not manage to propagate under the conditions you describe? Do greenhouses help with the excessive humidity?
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Heirloom is an hour south of me, and the use a combination of massive greenhouses and also outdoor growouts.
The land there is much more affordable, and they are directly butted against a massive river, surrounded by dairy farms and mint farms (so cheaper access to materials), as well as closer to other ag businesses.
That amount of land to be able to have such an extensive system would cost millions and millions in Portland itself. It would be economically insane.
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#6 of 9 posted
7 days ago by
a_carl76
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I decided to get a sampling of rose bushes from a few of these Etsy type rose growers this year. Many are very expensive ($100+ for a rooted cutting!!!) so I won't be going for those ones. I have had too many less rose-savvy friends order from them only to end up being disappointed with what they got. Thus me deciding to try them out and maybe suggest the better ones.
I am also interested in seeing a few of these varieties that are used in the florist trade in China, Japan and a few other places that we do not normally see available here in the United States. There might be a few out there that end up being worth the try in the garden - even in the Midwest. I would like to get the ones offered from multiple sites listed on hmf so that I, and anyone else that attempts to grow them, can give others information regarding them. Plus I like keeping everything I grow on this site!
We shall see and hopefully I can nudge the better suppliers to post on hmf.
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I did some last year. My strongest recommendation out of what I tried is Allegorie, followed by Gorgeous.
I have not bothered with HMF adding any of these places, because there are too many legal and ethical concerns, as well as potential international issues. I know David Austin LLC has been having a field day with many of them.
So, as much as I love adding info to HMF, I felt it was too much of a stressor for the volunteers to deal with these online sellers that may or may not disappear when someone blinks. Also, I was not sure if HMF listing products of theirs that are trademark infringements, contractual avoidance, and skirting of patent royalties, would make HMF passively complicit. I don't want any harm to come to HMF personally, and while I know a lot of law, I am unsure of law regarding complicit nature of a unintentional aid (in this case, HMF).
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I tried a bunch of them last year. Most grew backwards and eventually died. None of these Etsy dealers are into roses for anything other than a quick buck. And as soon as the quick buck disappears, so will these sellers. And in my opinion, the sooner the better. . .
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#9 of 9 posted
4 days ago by
a_carl76
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True to a point. You are definitely correct in that a lot of the Etsy dealers seem to be all about making a quick buck. Don't get me started on the "Rainbow Rose" seeds for sale and all that nonsense. But I can appreciate and support the ones who made their years/decades long passion into a way of supporting their hobbies. IMHO they need to dial it back on the prices - a customer should not be getting a stick with barely a root on it after spending $50 or more for it. Does not matter how rare of a variety it is. Leave that price for the over litigious David Austin Roses LLC and their like.
I guess I look back too fondly to the days where I was able to get a nicely rooted rose from Vintage Gardens for only $12.50.
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Wrong rose, or wrong version of this rose.
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Yeah, I used to grow this rose. It is a florist “spray” variety. Not listed in HMF.
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Hmmm, only a little bit of fragrance on this one here. Anytime they name something "Parfuma," I expect better. Marketing!
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#1 of 10 posted
30 MAY 23 by
S_Mazza
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Agreed ... nice rose, but it's like the perfume didn't make it through customs.
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#2 of 10 posted
26 AUG 23 by
jeffbee
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Mine has a strongly developed plant now, so I'm going to see if having a larger root system has an affect on the fragrance or not (it does in some damask HTs). I'll try to remember to report back.
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What is a "damask HT"?
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I think Michael means HTs with Damask scent.
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Sorry Damask HT is basically the darker red types with damask fragrance, or at least referred to as damask fragrance even if its not lol.
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Tested the scent today. If I REALLY bury my nose in there, its moderate fragrance. The plant is very nice, and the blooms are pretty, but labeling it Parfuma is a stretch by Kordes in my opinion.
The soil has adequate water. The plant is healthy and robust. The blooms are large and full. The weather has been cool mornings and mid-80s afternoons. So there is no real reason for it not to be fragrant. I just think Kordes overstated the strength of scent. Or maybe they're really sensitive to that type of scent.
For those reading, I'd still buy it again. It looks romantic and its very healthy. But don't expect it to blow your nose away lol.
Edit: Days later, I tested it again. It rained yesterday and has been cool. Today, it was dry, cool and overcast. The scent was moderate and peach scented. As in the scent of cut peaches.
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#8 of 10 posted
9 JAN by
sdrose
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Contemplating getting this rose. How long do blooms last in a vase and on the plant? Thanks in advance.
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Average length when on the plant, so I assume similar to average when cut.
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#10 of 10 posted
11 JAN by
sdrose
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A few of these roses in a vase will add fragrance to the entire room, its very powerful!
Update: This rose grows like a giant! The tallest cane is approaching 6ft, even after heavy winter pruning. Luckily it grows very upright and doesn't carry the flaw of flopping canes that many older DA roses have.
Update 2: Never seen so many buds on this rose for it's first flush. Seems to respond REALLY well to winter hacking and slashing down to 1-2ft
I think this is one of those roses that would benefit from summer pruning, which I'll try next summer. What seems to happen if left unpruned is that after the first flush, a few disproportionately long, almost naked canes will shoot to the sky, and a bloom or two will eventually spawn on the end. Doesn't exactly make for a pretty shrub but one look at the flowers and I can't imagine being without it.
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#1 of 8 posted
23 MAR 22 by
OGRfairy
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I wonder if you’ve tried pinning those long canes with garden staples? Looping them down and pinning them will force those canes to be covered in blooms instead of just at the tip. My Wollerton Old Hall behaves in much the same manner.
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Might this be a seedling of 'Evelyn'? The photos and description of scent and growth habit all remind me of 'Evelyn'.
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#3 of 8 posted
27 MAR 22 by
OGRfairy
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I was thinking the same. Or perhaps Eglantyne?
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#4 of 8 posted
28 MAR 22 by
Magnus95
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It's possible! The latest introduction from DA "Elizabeth" appears to have very similar foliage and flowers and seems to come from this breeding line too. Also thanks for the advice!
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#6 of 8 posted
1 JUN 22 by
OGRfairy
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Of course! I’d be so interested to see how she responds to any pegging if you do decide to do that. After looking at your photos of her blooms I may have to try to add her to my collection next year. For some reason I had had it in my mind that she would resemble The Albrighton Rambler, and her blooms would be small and would bleach. The shading you captured in your photos is so lovely and complex with that beautiful hint of mauve.
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#5 of 8 posted
1 JUN 22 by
jac123
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per the US patent:
"The maternal and paternal parents of ‘AUSearnshaw’ are two unnamed seedlings. The new rose may be distinguished from its maternal parent, by the following combination of characteristics: the maternal parent is a shorter bush and has uniformly deep pink flowers compared to the soft pink, apricot-centered blooms of ‘AUSearnshaw’. The new rose may be distinguished from its pollen parent, by the following combination of characteristics: the paternal parent has a larger growth and its blooms are more cupped with fewer petals than ‘AUSearnshaw’."
according to this, Evelyn should not be a direct parent, but it could be in the lineage further back. Again, they could state whatever they want in the patent and nobody is going to check, so I guess we can not be sure that what they stated is the real lineage
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#7 of 8 posted
1 JUN 22 by
OGRfairy
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This is so interesting; thank you! Recently DAR posted a photo of a rose on Twitter that they have developed specifically for breeding. It was the loveliest form and pale lavender color. I wish they would sell some of their breeding stock, because they are gorgeous in their own right!
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She is known as Emily Brontosaurus. . .
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