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I have a climber from Tantau, Camelot, which has produced two vigorous canes that look deformed to my amateur eye. One cane is from below ground and the other is above ground and well above any graft area. This is its first year. Are these just weird 'sports' as opposed to common suckers ?
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Once the foliage is more developed you should be able to determine, from the canes and foliage, that the shoot coming from beneath the graft is different from 'Camelot'. Try to break it off the main root. Let the foliage for the above the graft cane develop. If it looks different from the disease free foliage, then you need to determine what is wrong with the plant.
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Thank you for the advice. Both canes seem to have stopped developing. Not getting any taller, not developing the foliage into proper leaves ? It's as if the development has frozen but other leaves on the original canes are normal and the flowers are developing normally also on the original canes. I'll continue to monitor the plant. Thanks again
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9 JUL 22 by
HubertG
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It looks a little bit like damaged growth from accidental glyphosate spray drift. Could this be a possibility?
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Sorry, only seeing this now. The only thing thats sprayed in my garden is dilute soapy water for aphids and a dilute solution containing sulphur, oil, Epsom salts and bicarbonate of soda to control BS and Mildew. And no other gardeners adjacent to me ( they grow barking dogs here, not flowers ) and no spraying from adjacent farmland which is grazing land only.
These canes sat dormant for several weeks then leafed out. Curious thing is none of them flowered and have still not flowered. I have two Camelots in large tubs either side of my porch and one of them grew 'normally' and did flower, not a huge flush but it did flower. The growth in the suspect plant is identical to it's partner rose, in leaf form etc so not suckers as I first thought.
I finally got someone form Tantau to comment and he claims the plant is growing like this and refuses to flower because it's in a pot. This is a big pot, 60x40 cms by 40 cms high.
Next season I'll cut out the bottom of it, lift the pavers beneath it, amend the soil and let it grow downwards and see how it does.
Thanks for the response
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Hi, I am hoping for help identifying this rose.
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Don't forget that when attempting to identify a rose there are more characteristics besides the flowers. Since there are roses with similar flowers, it is helpful to know:
Once bloomer or repeat
Height of bush and shape
Does it set hips w/ photo of hips
Photos of stem, leaves, and prickles
Prone to disease or healthy
These are the majority of characteristics that help an ID.
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Update on Heirloom Roses: Top/Popular Floribundas are now listed at $55 each, such as Ebb Tide, Koko Loko and Plum Perfect. Other Floribundas are listed at $52 or $42. Hybrid Teas are priced at $50, $46 and $42. In fairness Heirloom, in my opinion, delivers a very good product which is well-packed for shipping and the plants arrive 1800 miles away in great shape. They do often have 20% off sales throughout the season but if you wait for those you run the risk that the rose you really want won't be available or is not a part of the sale. Like I said before perhaps stock is low and the pricing is representative of supply/demand forces.
But, when Roses Unlimited has the same rose for $24 that Heirloom has for $50 or even more, it's a no-brainer to go with Roses Unlimited (which also does a great job and delivers an excellent product).
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Just out of curiosity I looked through my old files. Back in 1992, just 30 years ago, I bought a dozen roses from Heirloom Old Garden Roses (their original name) at $8 each. Adjusted for inflation that's $15.45. So there seem to be other "stresses" on the rose business beyond inflation.
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Chamblee's has similar prices, the same size (except they actually use more than 1/2G soil), a detailed web site, a smooth transactional website, and commerce-fair shipping.
Certified through Home Depot and Lowe's has bud n bloom on large plants in the spring season for a similar price relative to the pot size and with shipping included. I have yet to use Certified online as a test though.
The issue, of course, is that not all places carry all product.
In my case, I missed the boat on 'Honey Nectar' and 'Summer Love' when they were in open commerce. So, I ordered Honey Nectar earlier this year. Good size plant for a 1G. I received Summer Love today and it was a twiglet. Not worth the money at all. But what am I going to do? Ask for a replacement? Complain? No, its all there is for the year, even in e-commerce.
It's a tale of "Is is what it is," and we have no choice, except to either accept a bad trade or skip the product.
I ordered from Hortico for years on end, knowing that the European HT/FLs were disappearing at an alarming rate and knowing half my order would be wrong. I accepted it, dealt with the stress of it, and saved a few stellar roses that are no longer in North American commerce. It truly sucks, but "it is what it is." All we can do is let people be aware.
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23 JUL 22 by
MaXx
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I belive its felecite parmentier> Also Alba
Queen of denmark is darker and more double.
Postet picture of both
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I agree that it is most likely the almost white 'Félicité Parmentier'.
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