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Publication / Article / VideoGrafted Hybrid Teas versus Own-Root Roses. most recent 30 MAY 09 SHOW ALL

Initial post 22 JUN 06 by bmarie

Reply #1 of 7 posted 23 JUN 06 by HMF supporting member

RoseBlush

bmarie........

I live in an old gold mining town in northern California. Yesterday, I spent several hours "rose rustling" in a near by ghost town. Those roses were well over 100 years old.

The reason budded roses have a shorter life span is that most of them have been budded onto virused rootstock. That said, there are some roses that cannot be grown successfully on their own roots. With roses, it's hard to make any generalization because you can count on there being a rose out there that will make a liar out of you.

My personal experience leads me to believe that roses, both grafted and own root, have a longer expected lifetime than the article or book you mentioned in your post.

Smiles,

Lyn, helpmefind.com

Reply #2 of 7 posted 25 JUL 06 by Lulu

I don't think that this article is accurate unless there were extremes of climate or something else involved. I am sure many people growing roses that read this will write in to tell you of many roses that they have had for years that are grafted. My garden is only young but my three year old roses are still doing fine. Lulu	REPLY

Reply #7 of 7 posted 30 MAY 09 by Mylissa

I am the author and the article is accurate and "stems" from my experience of over 40 years playing with dirt. I have gardened in Texas and Missouri, two of the harshest climates on earth and was also a florist who tended a small nursery. I had good friends who owned an own-root rose nursery in Texas and shared their experiences and shared their roses. I currently live on three acres here in the Midwest and have over 45 roses... NONE are grafted... Those died long ago... Nevertheless, if you like to putter, spray, nurter and be a babysitter aka slave with your grafted teas, and vow to keep the grafted rose business alive and well, then feel free... have fun and enjoy, but please, if you disagree, follow up and share your experiences a' la contrary... I would love to hear about them!

Reply #3 of 7 posted 25 JUL 06 by scottclifton

Could you please reference the article you had read. I would like to see which varieties were tested and what environmental variables were present. A 3 to 5 year life span seems incredibly short for a plant (a hardy variety) that has been given the proper care and winter protection. I have about a 50/50 ratio of own root/grafted roses in my garden and have been unable to draw any general conclusions about how how one type performs over the other. I have several varieties where I have both own root and grafted plants and have observed different results for different varieties. With so many variables in growing roses, I consider any insight helpful. Thanks for your contribution! -- Scott

Reply #4 of 7 posted 26 JUL 06 by bmarie

Hi, unfortunately I can't find the article where I read that statement. I didn't make it up though. It makes sense to me that if the rose is the kind that can be grown on its own roots that it will be stronger because the graft is a possible source of weakness. I am not an expert, just making a comment.	REPLY

Reply #5 of 7 posted 26 JUL 06 by scottclifton

Thanks for tour reply! I was just curious to see how the author made the comparison and which varieties were compared. I have heard many varying opinions on the budded vs own-root subject, so I try to learn all I can about the pros and cons of each type and try to apply that knowledge to selecting the best type for a variety I want to grow. I appreciate that you and the other posters on HMF take the time to share their knowledge and opinions.

Thanks Again! -- Scott

Reply #6 of 7 posted 28 JUL 06 by Lulu

Hi Scott,

When you plant the graft below the soil level the rose often roots from the graft as well as having the roots from the rootstock so you get the added strength of both. The Yates Roses book that I have just been reading, [Yates is a large company in Australia supplying garden products and seeds] has stated that grafted roses can live for 20 yrs given good growing practices. I have several roses in my garden that I have grown cuttings from so have both types of the same bush. My tea rose Duchess de Brabant does much better, in my opinion, on its own roots than the grafted one and so far my David Austins on their own roots are doing very well also but it is too soon for me to know if they will do better than the original grafted ones. We now have some nurseries here putting cutting grown roses on the market but it is difficult for them to get enough quickly to supply the demand as obviously they take longer to be marketable than the grafted varieties. Also some roses are very hard to strike especially many Hybrid Teas. Try striking your own if you haven't yet as it is a lot of fun and you can get good information on how to do it from this site and others on the net.

Happy gardening, Lulu

RosePink Above All ™ most recent 9 MAR 09 SHOW ALL

Initial post 2 SEP 07 by bmarie

I have a 1 year old "Pink Above All" and it is a great plant. It has outgrown its 4' trellis already. It has many beautiful small pink roses. Here in Vancouver WA most of my roses have suffered from The Dreaded Blackspot, (even the extremely disease resistant varieties), This little climber has stayed covered with dark green leaves all summer.	REPLY

Reply #1 of 1 posted 9 MAR 09 by joebar

i have a one year old plant as well that is in a pot and has grown around 7 feet up my trellis and has completely cover one side in one season. looking very promising for the new one and is loaded with buds. in a winter where a lot of my roses took a beating and some died, this one is probably the best looking one right now. however, it just snowd again...	REPLY

RoseHoney Perfume ™ most recent 2 SEP 07 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 2 SEP 07 by bmarie

Last year I planted "Honey Perfume" and was not impressed with it. The poor plant just struggled to grow and bloom. This year tho, the little plant is beautiful, always blooming. And no Black spot at all! Here in Vancouver WA that is amazing!	REPLY

RoseSunrise at Heirloom most recent 2 SEP 07 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 2 SEP 07 by bmarie

I have this rose plant, I am delighted with the color and the roses are so cute, they remind me of carnations. The bush is 1 year old. It is tall and skinny, but loaded with flowers, so far all summer. A bright cheery plant, I love it!	REPLY