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What is this ? most recent 13 JUL 06 SHOW ALL

Initial post 23 JUN 06 by Meschuee

Hello.What a wonderful site. I have this gorgeous rose growing in a tub on my patio. Its scent is out of this world, strong and slightly spicey. I grew it from a cutting I took from a garden but I don't remember it's name. The blooms are large and the pink/orange in colour, as you can see. I would love to know what it is. I did think is had "Reverend" in it's name somewhere, but that's all I can recall.Thank you.Meschuee.(Penny).

Reply #1 of 21 posted 23 JUN 06 by Jody

Hi Penny, this beautiful rose looks like one of the English David Austin Roses. But he lists none with a Rev in the name. Could it be another name like a Getrude Jekyll or Ingenious Mr. Fairchild? try going to his home page. You can search the pix by color. Good luck !!! www.Davidaustinroses.com	REPLY

Reply #2 of 21 posted 23 JUN 06 by Meschuee

Hello.Thank you very much for your reply. I am probably completely wrong about the "Reverend" part. I did wonder whether it was something like "Buff Beauty" but don't know, without checking, whether it's the right form for that. I'll certainly take a look at the David Austin site. thank you for the link. Happy rose growing,Bye,Penny. :)	REPLY

Reply #11 of 21 posted 25 JUN 06 by Meschuee

Reply #3 of 21 posted 23 JUN 06 by Meschuee

Hello again.I found "Gertrude Jekyll" and my rose could certainly be her. The scent is mentioned by someone on another site as being the lovliest and strongest they have smelled. Mine is more orange on some blooms but looks like her on the more pink ones. Thank you again.Penny.	REPLY

Reply #4 of 21 posted 23 JUN 06 by Jody

Hi you are most welcome. This is a great site, isn't it. I don' t have any David Austin roses myself (yet anyway) so maybe some one else can help you more. It does look more orange in the pix. Whatever it is, it is a beautiful rose.	REPLY

Reply #5 of 21 posted 23 JUN 06 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

Penny, take a look at Abraham Darby here on Help Me Find. The colors of your photos are very characteristic of what we see here in the Southern California desert. Abe's scent is heavy and a knock-out, too! Kim	REPLY

Reply #6 of 21 posted 23 JUN 06 by Meschuee

Hello both :)Thank you very much for the information and advice. Off to take a look at Abraham Darby right now.I took another photo of the same rose an hour or so ago and most of the organge colouring has gone, leaving a pink rose. Do hope you are able to give a home to some David Austin roses - some really lovely ones in the catalogue.Bye,Penny. :)	REPLY

Reply #7 of 21 posted 23 JUN 06 by Meschuee

Wheeee! I think you're right, Kim- my rose is "Abraham Darby". Lovely to be able to put a name to "him". I saw a photograph that is the image of my rose. Thank you very much for help with the sleuthing! Bye,Penny.	REPLY

Reply #9 of 21 posted 24 JUN 06 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

Reply #10 of 21 posted 25 JUN 06 by Meschuee

He certainly is. :)Just preparing a little bed for "Octavia Hill", who I got yesterday.Hope you weekend is a good one. Getting lunch and then watching cricket and the World Cup - rather different to watching roses!Bye,Penny.	REPLY

Reply #8 of 21 posted 24 JUN 06 by HMF supporting member

RoseBlush

Meschuee.........

HelpMeFind has couple of tools you can use to help you find your rose. When you click on "Roses" on the navigation bar to the left, it brings up the rose search page. You can click the radio button for "Contains" and type in "Reverend" in the search field and every rose that has "Reverend" will come up in the search results with links to the rose page.

A second tool you may find useful, is to click on "Breeders" on the navigation bar to the left and the search page for rose breeders will come up. If you type "Austin" in the search field, a breeder page for David Austin will come up. There is a tab for the roses he has bred near the top of the page. Just click on that tab and a list of his roses will appear with active links to the rose page in the HelpMeFind database.

The purpose of the HelpMeFind site is to provide you with the tools to find out about the roses you are interested in growing or already grow. I hope you enjoy the site.

Smiles,

Lyn, helpmefind.com

Reply #12 of 21 posted 25 JUN 06 by Meschuee

Hello Lyn.Thank you very much for the information. I certainly do enjoy the site, it was a wonderful find - serendipity!I'm very pleased you have found you all. Cooler here today and I've just put my new "Octavia Hill" in a spot where I can see her from the kitchen window, in the angle of my new trellising. She's so pretty.Bye,Penny.	REPLY

Reply #13 of 21 posted 30 JUN 06 by Anonymous-103823

Reply #14 of 21 posted 30 JUN 06 by Meschuee

Hello Marloes.Thanks very much for the suggestion of "Leander". I'll so some surfing and see what he's like.It's a very pretty rose whatever it's name. :)Just planted another climber, "Etoile de Hollande". Don't think I've room for many more!Bye,Penny.	REPLY

Reply #15 of 21 posted 7 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi Penny , did you decide if this was Abraham Darby for sure? or Leander? or? I am very pleased that one of my mystery roses finally bloomed and it is a Gertrude Jekyll. It was a clearance rose (1$) from a Garden sale. How is your Octavia Hill doing? Jody	REPLY

Reply #16 of 21 posted 7 JUL 06 by Meschuee

Hello Jody.Lovely to have your "Gertrude Jekyll" bloom, especially as she was a "cheapy". Gertrude Jekyll was a famous gardener, known throughout the world for her expertise (i expect you know that), and I believe her house and gardens can still be visited today. How wonderful it must be to have a rose named after yourself! I'm leaning towards "Abraham Darby" for my mystery rose, "Leander" seems a slightly different shape, but who's to say, really? They are both lovely.""Octavia" is settling in and flowering well but was hit by the heavy rain (much needed) we had the other day. I deadheaded her yesterday and I'm sure she'll be all right, except that she's planted in a heavy clay soil (I did put lighter soil and compost in the planting hole), all my roses are and I hope they put up with it.My "Mme. Alfred Carrier" wasn't happy under the apple tree so I moved her a few days ago and cut her right back as she had "whippy" canes. Have to wait and see now whether she's happier in the new place against a fence.All of the roses have blackspot. It seems rife this year. I know some people don't treat it - I wonder how their roses survive, mine go under if not given treatment. Bye, Penny.

Reply #17 of 21 posted 7 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi I think you're right, it's Abe. I saw a photo of Abe in another book that looked just like your rose. I hope your Madam Alfred C does well. that one is on my wish list. I gave up treating blackspot. In the damp climate I live in, it's impossible to get rid of it . I have tried organic and non organic and it just comes back and back. but the roses seem to do ok. My Pink Peace is thriving and yet has the Blackspot. yet, three others who do NOT have blackspot are dying off or just hanging in there. My local nursery man says it's cause I have moles and they nest in the rose roots. I never heard that before but I do have many moles and found a tunnel right behind the Midnight blue bush. so I may have to move it. Good luck with all your roses!!! Jody I got the Gertrude in a grab bag (literally a garabage bag) last March. 5 twigs for $5 at a garden club sale, no tags... I ended up with the Gallica Apothecary, a white Dog Rose, the Gertrude, one that hasn't bloomed , and one that died. Pretty good deal. Yet the ones I was telling you about that are dying I paid full price for from a Nursery. One can never tell with roses!!!

Reply #18 of 21 posted 12 JUL 06 by Lulu

Hi Penny, I grow several Abraham Darby roses and yours is certainly similar. Photos of David Austin roses however are often not enough as he has bred quite a few that look similar. You need to mention the growth pattern as well as that is often different in the roses that look similar. Abraham Darby grows long canes and can be treated as a climber. Does yours grow this way? When you are checking out his site take a good look at how they grow, Good luck, Lulu

Reply #19 of 21 posted 12 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi all, just a bit of rose trivia, I was just reading an interview with David Austin from 99. When asked his favorite David Austin roses he said : Eglantyne, Glamis Castle, The Countryman, Charlotte, Pat Austin, and Windflower.. Jody	REPLY

Reply #20 of 21 posted 12 JUL 06 by Meschuee

Hello Jody and Lulu.Thanks for your input. Yes, my "Abe" grows long thin canes and is climbing a trellis. In fact, after feeding with a rose food and organic seaweed feed, he's got a lot of new growth. I'm very pleased."Mme. Alfred Carrier" is beautiful - good luck with yours. Great to get roses at "give-away-prices" - if one doesn't survive, you've not lost a lot.My "Schoolgirl" is in flower. I didn't think she was happy but it seems she is. The other new climbers are puting out shoots, except "Zephine Drouhin", but she was planted a week or so later than the others. My friend doesn't treat her roses for blackspot either and they live! Very interesting piece of trivia. I like knowing that sort of thing. Bye, Penny.

Reply #21 of 21 posted 13 JUL 06 by Meschuee

Hello.I thought you might like to see the new growth on the rose we think is "Abraham Darby". Is it consistent with that rose?Thanks.Penny.	REPLY

Looking For... most recent 11 JUL 06 SHOW ALL

Initial post 3 JUL 06 by Anonymous-103823

Hello,I am looking for the bluest (I'm not sure of my spelling. I mean really blue) rose that can grow up to at least 3 meters high. Does anyone have an idea? Marloes	REPLY

Reply #1 of 12 posted 3 JUL 06 by Jody

HI Marloes, I don't think there are any really blue roses? or are there? I have one called Midnight Blue but it is really a deep DEEP purple.. would that work for you? Jody	REPLY

Reply #2 of 12 posted 3 JUL 06 by Anonymous-103823

Hello Jody!!Nice to find you once again. I don't think so too. But who knows. I / we could be surprised. I'm not sure what colour I 'll want if there's no blue one.Greetings, Marloes	REPLY

Reply #3 of 12 posted 3 JUL 06 by Wendy C

Reply #4 of 12 posted 3 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi Marloes, nice chatting with you again too. why did you esp want blue? did you want to place it against a particular background? or alongside another rose? or?? maybe you could go with a deep purple? I saw the pix of your rose Fellowship too, that is a gorgeous!! Jody	REPLY

Reply #5 of 12 posted 4 JUL 06 by Anonymous-103823

Hi,I am looking for a blue rose actually because my daughter Anne (14) suggested it. She never took much interest in the garden, but that is changing. So to encourage this pleasant development I am trying to indulge her. On a site in Belgium I've asked the same question and there someone suggested Azubis or Indigoletta, but also with the remark that a really blue rose is wishful thinking. If not blue I'll go for lighter I think, because the bricks of my house are reddish. Fellowship is one of my favourites. Mostly because of the shape of the petals. It's a real eyecatcher. Marloes

Reply #6 of 12 posted 4 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi Marloes, That is too bad there is no blue. could you give her a second choice , say a lavendar like Angel Face.. or maybe a golden yellow against the red bricks? if she likes blue encourage her by letting her pick out a blue perennial as a companion plant to the other roses? That's great she is interested and there are so many roses to choose from. I hope you can find one she really likes. You really have so many beautiful ones in your garden. Jody

Reply #7 of 12 posted 4 JUL 06 by Anonymous-103823

Hello again! (or "hallo" as the dutch say)This Angel Face is really wonderful!! Do you have it yourself? I am leaving early in the morning for 5 days in the south of France (lucky me!!) but next week I will see if I can buy one in the Netherlands. I don't know what the word perennial means, but I suppose you mean to suggest that I can put a clematis next to it ?? Speak to you next week!	REPLY

Reply #8 of 12 posted 4 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi a perennial means a plant that has a life cycle of more than two years. vs annuals (like lobelia, marigolds, pansies) and other flowers that are seasonal for us. I have many blue lobelia (various shades) in hanging baskets I planted in April but they will not winter over and will die by Oct where I live. Yes, I have a climbing Angel Face which was beautiful but became ill and I thought it had died and now it is coming back. It has a wonderful fragrance. Have a great trip!! Jody

Reply #10 of 12 posted 11 JUL 06 by Marloes

Hi Jody,Unfortunately is seems that Angel Face is not for sale at this side of the ocean. I have mailed some nurseries, but no answer yet. But on the net I can't find it. So perhaps I have to look for another kind. Marloes	REPLY

Reply #11 of 12 posted 11 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi Marloes. That's a shame you can't find Angel Face. It is available through Roses of Yesteday and Today but not sure they would ship to your side of the world or if the Rose would stand the shipping. Could you go with something like Madam Alfred Carriere and then let your daughter plant some blue plants like Delphiums or whatever does well in your climate? I am interested in Madam Carriere but have no room right now for it. Interestingly enough I just read on the net that a team of Japanese and Australian scientsists are trying to develop a true blue rose through gene splicing. so maybe someday there will be a blue rose. Jody

Reply #12 of 12 posted 11 JUL 06 by Jody

Marloes, ck out this rose, Veilchenblau, also known as the Blue Rambler. The pix on the site look more purple but the Ortho book of Roses says " It is commonly known as Blue Rambler because it's violet flowers (accented with white) are among the few roses that approach true blue. would your daughter like something like this rose? Jody	REPLY

Reply #9 of 12 posted 5 JUL 06 by Jody

Marloes here is a quote on Angel Face from Liz Druitt's book. Angel face is available as a bush or climber."The blossoms are the best feature of the chunky little 3' bush. Their fragrance is remarkable , particularly for a Floribunda. Each double flower opens it's wavy petals so that the full beauty of the lavender mauve color can be seen, and in cool weather the petals are edged with soft crimson." The climbing one can get 8-12' Before you get this though, ck out Purple Buttons. I saw Liz say on an old post that it is her favorite and it is gorgeous. Jody

Looking For... most recent 3 JUL 06 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 2 JUL 06 by naku

I am trying to find the most true orange rose in a floribunda or grandiflora. Any suggestions?????	REPLY

Reply #1 of 2 posted 3 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi there are several orange Floribunda. Try Orange Sensation, or Tony Jacklin, or Princess Michiko.Good luck!!	REPLY

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Reply #3 of 2 posted 3 JUL 06 by Anonymous-103823

Hi Naku,I have a rosa Fellowship which gives really wonderfull orange flowers. Look at the photos! Marloes	REPLY

What is this ? most recent 3 JUL 06 SHOW ALL

Initial post 20 JUN 06 by Anonymous-103823

I have this beautiful white rose, it gets about 1,80 meters high and spreads a wonderful rosy fragrance. At first the flowers are slightly pink, but once they are fully open, they are pure white. I would love to know the name of the rose.	REPLY

Reply #1 of 17 posted 20 JUN 06 by Jody

This looks like a Shailer's White Moss. The buds are sometimes pink and I read it is known to convert to the pink form. parentage is Centifolia Muscosa Alba (which is pink) and White Bath.Is it very thorny? The photo I have looks like it is very thorny.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 17 posted 20 JUN 06 by Anonymous-103823

Hello Jody,Thank you for your swift response, but it isn't "Shailer's White Moss". The rosebuds of my rose are more pointy, and the flowers have less petals. It has hardly any thorns, only small ones at the downside of the "branches" of the green leaves.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 17 posted 20 JUN 06 by Jody

Hi please let us know if you figure out what it is. I have a book which shows buds but I can't find any matching the correct description to your rose. Good Luck!!!!.	REPLY

Reply #4 of 17 posted 30 JUN 06 by Anonymous-103823

Hi Jody,Could you look in your "budsbook" if it is a kind of Schneewittchen?THNX!Marloes	REPLY

Reply #5 of 17 posted 30 JUN 06 by Jody

Hi Marloes, do you mean Iceberg?. I think in Europe it is called Schneewittchen. In the US it is called Iceberg. If this is what you mean, the buds are not so pointy. it looks similar to yours but not the same flower. Close though. Jody are you in Europe?	REPLY

Reply #7 of 17 posted 1 JUL 06 by Anonymous-103823

Hi Jody,Yes, I'm in Europe. In the Netherlands, to be precise.I think you are right with Iceberg. At least, searching the web, I found out that the same rose can have many names. It turns out that Schneewittchen and Frau Karl Druschki (german), Iceberg (american) and Fée des Neiges (french) are all the same rose!! And who knows, perhaps there are other names as well.And when I look at Fée des Neiges (cl.) on this site, there is 1 photo with rosebuds matching mine.So I decide I have an Iceberg in my garden.Thank you for taking the effort. What is the name of your book?Marloes

Reply #8 of 17 posted 1 JUL 06 by Wendy C

I grow both Frau Karl Druschki and Iceberg. The only thing these roses have in common is they were both bred in Germany. Two different centuries, two different breeders, separate classes. Your rose look more like Frau Karl to me. Best of Luck	REPLY

Reply #10 of 17 posted 2 JUL 06 by Anonymous-103823

Hi Wendy,I thought Iceberg and FKD are the same, because http://www.druschke.dk/links1.htm says so: Frau Druschkis rose eller Schneewitchen, fremavlet af Karl Druschki, som ifølge familietraditionen har forbindelse til Druschke-slægten. Translation: "Frau Druschki's rose or Schneewittchen, etc. It can't be a FKD however, since my rose smells like a rose. And FKD is scentless.So I still vote for Iceberg. Also because on the photos FKD shows single roses, and mine blooms in groups of 2 - 8 roses at the same time.

Reply #15 of 17 posted 2 JUL 06 by Wendy C

This picture much more resembles Iceberg. The first pic looked too heavily petaled for Iceberg. Strange how they can change so in appearance as the blooms open. My Iceberg plants have been typical shrubs in that they are free branching and spreading, whereas FKD is more upright on sometimes arching canes.

Some roses, like Peace, have so many names it is crazy. Then there is the long list of different roses with a shared name. It can be very confusing,

Scent sometimes is in the nose of the smeller. I went out to sniff mine because they are both blooming. Iceberg has a nice sweet scent. FKD has no rose scent that I could detect .

Best of luck

Reply #6 of 17 posted 30 JUN 06 by Jody

Marloes, how about Felicite Parmentier? The buds are pointy, a light pink , and according to this book, "the flowers reflex after opening to form almost a sphere of white".. what do you think? Jody	REPLY

Reply #9 of 17 posted 1 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi I think Wendy is right that Frau K. Druschki and Iceberg are two different roses. I have a book called The Organic Rose Garden by Liz Druitt, which says that FKD is scentless and thus good for allergy sufferers. I have no idea if this is true, but it clear they are two different roses. I also highly recommend The Random House Book of Roses by Roger Phillips and Martyn Rix. It shows great color photos of 1400 roses and in most cases along side of the rose, is a pix of the bud. This can big a big help in Identifying a rose. It has no practical advice for the care of roses but as I said great for ID purposes and it lists parentage. I just ordered another one by them from Amazon called Random House book of Old Roses which was on sale. Your Library might have their books. Jody

Reply #11 of 17 posted 2 JUL 06 by Lulu

I don't think that this rose is Iceberg. It appears to me to have too many petals for Iceberg, and from your description a little too much perfume, also Iceberg does not usually have pink buds, it is more inclined to develop a little pink in the blooms as they mature especially in colder weather. Iceberg has rather pale green leaves for a rose and light green stems. Your rose seems to have red stems near the young foliage. My books show the alternate names Schneewittchen, F'ee des Neiges and Korben for Iceberg. I wish you good luck finding out what your rose actually is. It does have a bit of a heritage look about it and is very lovely.

PS: Frau Karl Druschki is a hybrid perpetual rose, unscented and has the alternate names, Reine des Neiges, Snow Queen and White American Beauty. It is definitely not the same as Iceberg.

Reply #12 of 17 posted 2 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi I still wonder if this is not Felicite Parmentier? Jody	REPLY

Reply #13 of 17 posted 2 JUL 06 by Anonymous-103823

Hi Jody,No, I don't think so, according to the photo's on this site. It's too pink, has too many petals and the buds are too round. Why don't you agree on Iceberg? I guess you live in the east of the US, am I right?	REPLY

Reply #14 of 17 posted 2 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi well this is a mysery, isn't it?!! The pix in the Liz Druitt book of Iceberg looks just like yours but she says "slightly scented". You said yours gives off a nice rosy smell, I think?..as I think Lulu said too much perfume. another book I have says " little scent". I just wonder because the Iceberg buds in the pix I have seen, appear to have no pink or a bare hint of pink in some of them. I think it's hard to ID because it seems the pix vary alot in many roses. I have seen Fragrant Cloud depicted as red in one book and coral in another. Here's what Liz Druitt says about Iceberg: "The slighty scented flowers are medium- sized, double, loosely cupped , and ruffled, with a half - hidden center of golden stamens in the midst of petals whiter than pasteurized milk. she says it gets between 3-4' tall and covered with glossy, light green foilage.What do you think? is it Iceberg? Jody (No, I am in the Pacific Northwestern USA. we are having a very unusal heat wave right now.) You are right, I think, it isn't FP.

Reply #16 of 17 posted 2 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi I have run in to 2 sources that say Iceberg DOES have a scent. one book says "pleasant scent" and the site of Roses of Yesterday (located in Willamette Valley in Oregon, USA) says "light scent." I'd go with what Wendy says since she has one. The Roses of Yesterday says the flowers have pink blush on buds in cool weather otherwise are white. Check out their site sometime. I'd go with Iceberg and Enjoy Jody

Reply #17 of 17 posted 3 JUL 06 by Anonymous-103823

Hi Jody,It could be right that cooler weather gives pinker buds. Anyhow, we have had a pretty cold spring. It would solve the puzzle. And thank you so much for all the effort you have taken. Perhaps we bump into each other again sometime? I would like that. Bye! Marloes	REPLY