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most recent 7 OCT 08 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 9 AUG 06 by Anonymous-104000
I have 3 kinds of Flower Carpet roses - pink, red and yellow - in z6a, Toronto. In my experience, all grow best in the sun, but they able to grow also in the 90% dry shade under maple tree with strong root competition. While in the sun growth is abundant, compact, flowers are bigger and repeats faster, in the shade (after roots reach deep in the ground) there are fewer branches, spindly growth, flowers are twice smaller that in the sun. Still no diseases.Care - no spraying of any kind, fertilizing by water-soluble fertilizer with microelementts 20-20-20 (Miracle-Gro or Plant Prod), 1/2-1/4 of recommended dosage. Good response on thin top application of Miracle Grow rose soil for the garden. Watering, of course. All need (not NEED :)) deadheading, still not much troubles. Low maintenance plant.Pink - most suitable for groundcover, comact growth, most healthy, profusion of fluffy pink flowers from June to the frost, in waves (all colors too, in turn - starts with red, then pink, then yellow). Color is cold intence pink, not coral- or hot red-pink. Tends to grow more in south direction, so plant farther north than planned.Red - was least healthy in the first year, when powdery mildew rose was growing near. After removing this source of infection - no problems. Single petaled. I wouldn't name it groundcover - it sends several very long (more than 1m -1 yrd) branches. Don't plant near pink ones - they don't compement each other. Some people like velvety rich manly color, that compements the lawn.Yellow - not groundcover at all - grows chest-high. Very healthy, bushy upright growth, largest flowers with high centers when young. I like the color - cold frosty-yellow, not hot yellow as the most yellow roses are. Does bad in the shade - very slow growth.In my conditions, Flower Carper roses are bulletproof. When even groundcovers die - roses grow. Good security plant, just don't cut in the spring - for better security coverage during cold season. Winterizes well under snow without any protection.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 7 OCT 08 by Chris
do you know anything about it tolerating colder climates? chris in n.e. connecticut.
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most recent 13 MAY 07 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 9 AUG 06 by Anonymous-104000
I had 4 Iceberg roses in the shade, z6a, Toronto - only 2 survived, in the most sunny place (70% shade) with less tree root competition. First year they had a lot of powdery mildew, the second year - only some minor black spot. While they flower all summer, flowers are few and fast passing.Planted in initially same place, other roses had better results in shade - Chuckles, Pink Flower Carpet, unknown dark red tea rose.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 10 AUG 06 by Bill Raimond
Thank you for all the information regarding your experiences  growing "Iceberg" in the shade. It looks like I'll be dropping "Iceberg" as one of my shade candidates and in it's place I'll add "Chuckles".   I'm still planning on planting  "Escapade"  an Harkness rose (1967).  I will also add "Wind Chimes" and "Bubble Bath", list of shade candidates, both are Hybrid Musks.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 12 MAY 07 by Unregistered Guest
Don't give up on ICEBERG, I have the climber version running along our garage that really only gets about 2 hrs of sun here in the Silicon Valley. The foliage of course, is that 'powdery' sage color of light green.It is about 10ft high this year. I must admit that this Spring has been a great year for my roses! The best so far . . .
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 13 MAY 07 by Unregistered Guest
I haven't given up on 'Iceberg'. I planted two bushes in a shady spot (3 - 4 hours of sun) along with 3 bushes of 'Escapade', all are doing fine. Instead of buying bands; all were in gallon containers and close to being root bound. Except for an attack of Rose Rosette (RDD) about 11 plants, all is going great guns and it should be the best rose growing year I've seen in a long time.

Happy Rose Growing,
Bill Raimond
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most recent 8 JAN 07 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 8 JAN 07 by Anonymous-104000
My photo appeared on the wrong page - I didn't posted it there. Could be machine error.Iceberg photo on Blue Perfume page - I was notified by e-mail.Sorry to bother you, can you remove it?
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 8 JAN 07 by HMF Admin
If you posted it, you can remove it - see the EDIt / DELETE button and scroll down to the Delete Photo option.
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most recent 11 AUG 06 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 9 AUG 06 by Anonymous-104000
I have 2 Chuckles roses in the 90% dry shade under maple tree with strong root competition, z6a, Toronto. At the second year, after roots go deeper, flowering became more abundant. It's not the globular 60 cm-2 ft bush in the shade, but loosely shaped few branches, still flowers nice. Very healthy.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 10 AUG 06 by Bill Raimond
Thank you for the information regarding "Chuckles".  90% shade is a considerable amount of shade.  My new rose bed will only have about 4 hours of sun.  There are however no tree roots and the soil is good.  After reading your comment I think I'll drop "Iceberg" and add "Chuckles" to  my shade list.  In addition to "Chuckles" I plan plant "Escapde" and two Hybrid  Musks, "Wind Chimes" and "Bubble Bath".
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 11 AUG 06 by Anonymous-104000
You may give a try to Iceberg - in hardware stores it costs around CND$3 on sale. White garden in shade looks brighter and stylish. My spot in between 3 old Acer Negundo, so shade is high (diffused lighting), less in early summer, when trees have less leaves, and quite dense in July, when some sun is able to reach roses only from the sides, morning and evening. Soil was the construction garbage plus pure clay left from construction, improved without full removing of the old ground. In your conditions it can grow better.Just for comparison: Chuckles on the back, Pink Flower Carper at the front (double row of flowers, more compact growth). Even red tea rose, sold as Double Delight, flowered in the first year.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 11 AUG 06 by Unregistered Guest
Thankyou for your response, it was most helpful.  I have a space that is 61/2 ft. wide and 45 ft .  long.  I could very well try  your idea/suggestion  and see what happens.  Since my roses are all planted 20 gl. pots they (the roses) could be moved if I run into shade problems. 
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 11 AUG 06 by Bill Raimond
Thank you for the information regarding "Iceberg".  After reading your comments I may just go ahead with my plans to plant "Iceberg".  My bed size is 6 1/2 ft. wide and about 45 ft. long.  Your suggestion regarding a double row of roses/plant is a good one and is one I have adopted over the years.  I have already decided to plant "Chuckles", "Wind Chimes", and "Escapade".  Once again, thank you for your comments.I hope this not a duplicate message; I think I messed up my earlier replies.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 11 AUG 06 by Bill Raimond
Thank you for the information regarding "Chuckles".  90% shade is a considerable amount of shade.  My new rose bed will have about 4 hours of direct sunlight.  There are however, no tree roots and the soil is quite good.  After reading your comment I think I may drop "Iceberg" and add "Chuckles" to my shade list.  I addition, I plan to plant two Hybrid Musks, "Wind Chimes" and "Bubble Bath" and the Floribunda "Escapade.I hope this message is not a duplicate.
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