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Bill Raimond
most recent 20 APR 11 SHOW ALL
Initial post 28 AUG 06 by Bill Raimond
30 years ago we purchased a rose from Blossoms and Bloomers that was called 'The Bishop'.  However, I'm not sure of the name .  My Bishop  is a very heavy bloomer.  You can't see the foliage or canes due to the enormous amounts of blooms that   cover the shrub in the spring.  The primary canes are about 8 foot long with laterals of about 5 foot long.  The canes are upright and slender with few thorns and small foliage.  The blooms are cupped, having many petals the color of rose-crimson to purple showing on "occasion" a blue-violet tone that fades away to gray when we have an unusually warm/hot spring.  Bloom size can range from 2.5 inches to 3 inches.  This rose is not very susceptible to Blackspot.  The rose is also very drought tolerant.  Please note: This rose has never been watered in my garden.  It grows in a shady area getting about 4 hours of sun.  I'm not to sure of the name, the bush appears to be much larger then described in the various catalogs; if anyone has any suggestions at all, those suggestions would be appreciated.  I can't provide a photo at this time.  But it appears to look like or is very similar to the  portrait of 'The Bishop' in Redoute. Once again, any help in identifying this rose would be appreciated.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 20 APR 11 by Hardy
If it's not The Bishop, it might be Tour de Malakoff. That gets pretty huge, and is otherwise fairly similar.
most recent 30 DEC 07 SHOW ALL
Initial post 27 AUG 06 by Bill Raimond
This is the second year for 'Madame Caroline Testout' in our garden.  The Madame was received as a rooted cutting and had grown to about 3 feet by years end.  This year her growth is not as rapid as it was last year (now she is about 3.5 feet ), but she is rarely without bloom (there has always been at least one bloom) and she is also very fragrant!   The blooms are quite large and upon opening are a bright pink edged with carmine-pink.  As the blooms age the carmine seems to be absorbed into the pink color of the blossom.  Other than her remontancy, and fragrance, she has exhibited very little black spot (about 5 percent of the plant seems to be affected) and no die-back in our garden.
Reply #1 of 6 posted 31 DEC 06 by stratorick
   I have a rose which the previous gardener has identified as Caroline Testout. I am attaching a photo which I hope will help you tell me if the rose I have is the Madame. 
Reply #2 of 6 posted 31 DEC 06 by Bill Raimond
Hi.  Its really difficult to identify a rose from a photo, I would like to see the various blooms in their life cycle-- almost open to blown; I would also like to see the canes and prickles-- having said that, the picture you posted looks very similar to the blooms and leaves on my Madame.  In addition, the petals on my Madame are inclined to cup and turn inward-- also the flowers have darker centers (tinted carmine) and as far as my nose is concerned, there Very Fragrant.  Unlike the Madame, my rose does not ball when wet, they hang down, the canes have a problem supporting the weight of the wet blossoms.  You may also want to checkout the various photos of the Madame in HMF,  Click the Rose Tab, bring up the Madame and then click on the Photo Tab.I hope I've given you enough information about my Madame so that you can make a better better comparison.  I know that  she (the Madame) will always have a home in my garden.In closing--- I can only say that your photo looks very similar to my Madame and numerous photos that I've seen of  'Madame Caroline Testout'.Have a Happy New Year,Bill
Reply #3 of 6 posted 31 DEC 06 by stratorick
     Thank you for your response. I do agree that photos are a hard way to identify roses. One only has to look at the variations of form and color in the HMF files. Unfortunately my "MCT" has been long neglected and now comprises a single cane of which the two flowers you saw were the sole blooms. It was very hot in Seattle when they were open and they lasted two days. When I touched them all the petals fell off at one time. My plan is to take cuttings and move this rose to a happier spot. Currently she is being overrun by Belle de Crecy and Golden Wings! I inherited a garden with perhaps 60 old ramblers and shrub roses. It has been fun identifying them and trying to restore the garden. Thanks for your help and all the best in 2007. Rick smoot.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 1 JAN 07 by Bill Raimond
Rick, If your 'Madame Caroline Testout' is in decline as you indicated, you may want to get your hands on a new band or a one  gallon potted Madame or even a #1 bare-root rose.  The band will be up and growing long before  your cutting takes hold--  that is if your successful and the cutting takes hold.  Its just a thought.  I truly hope  your successful with your cuttings.     Bill
Reply #5 of 6 posted 1 JAN 07 by stratorick
    Bill, I have often wondered about the wisdom of trying to resucitate a flagging rose, especially ones as relitively old as the ones in my garden.  (10 to 15 years). We are truly living in the golden age of accessibility to antique or heritage roses. I will not mention how much money I have spent on new "old" roses that I couldn't live without. Thank you for your advice.   Rick
Reply #6 of 6 posted 30 DEC 07 by Michael Dosey
Stratorick: Maybe by now you have identified your photo, HMF # 60395, submitted on 12/31/'06 (a year ago tomorrow). It does look something like MCT, but also like the photo of Columbia, Cl. on the Everyrose website. Mike, Michigan.
most recent 12 OCT 07 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 12 OCT 07 by Bill Raimond
First of all, I love 'Indigo', it's fragrance and color-- its a beauty-- As a cut flower, 'Indigo' will hold for up to four (4) days, then it goes south in a hurry; if you want cut flowers, you really must know how to condition this rose. The only down side, at least for my 6 'Indigo' shrubs, is mites. 'Indigo' is, at least in my garden, a magnet for mites. I've battled mites all season, but alas, to no avail. The roses that surround my 'Indigo' shrubs (there 4 years old) are free of mites. Except for the mites, I would not be without my lovelies. I may end up moving them into one of the new beds I'm putting in this fall. I wonder if anyone else has had a similar problem in dealing with 'Indigo'.
most recent 6 JUN 07 SHOW ALL
Initial post 22 MAY 07 by Bill Raimond
I just love the China's! So what if their growth is airy and their foliage may be somewhat sparse. I also know that their blossoms are not the greatest to behold in the Rose Kingdom-- all is forgotten come summer when they bloom non-stop, a very enviable quality. Now that you know I love China's; I would like to get a list of China's that will do well in Zone 6B. Our heat index is 8.

Any suggestions as to what China rose types will do well in Northeastern Oklahoma will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Reply #1 of 2 posted 23 MAY 07 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
You should definitely try 'Mutabilis.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 6 JUN 07 by Bill Raimond
I grew 'Mutabilis' in the past-- the results were less then outstanding, but I may try it again. My 'Archduc Charles' froze to the ground along with "Belfield" [Slater's Crimson China'] and 'Hermosa'. All of these came back from the roots, but the Archduc is still pouting. We garden in zone 6B, but in April of this year we had 35 - 40 mph winds with a temp of 12 F degrees.

Thank you for your suggestion-- At least 'Mutabilis' never froze back, but it just didn't do well for me (it could have been a bad clone or maybe its the way I took care of it). I will however, try again .

Best regards,
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