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Initial post today by Michael Garhart
Photos from others seem to give "bred out of 'Serendipity'" vibes. Year bred would line up with this.
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Initial post 8 DEC 19 by Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
After a three-year assessment, I would finally like to offer an overall observation of this plant. CSK has been growing in a no-spray garden for the last 3 years and 7 months. Though it has been growing at a slow pace and throwing out new canes on occasion, it seems to also do the same with 2-3 flowers here and there. It doesn't tend to have an overabundance of problems with BS, though it's not free from it by any means. It does tend to hold its foliage longer than many, and that might be part of the reason. However, CSK does have a huge problem with Mildew on the canes, and does not seem to subside or grow out of it. Though the plant is now well-established, it does not seem to win the battle completely.

As far as the flowers, it seems to have a nice fragrance. I would call it a solid moderate. It's definitely present. Nice combination, not overly sweet, spicy, or anything. Just a blurred balance. The bud stays closed for an entire day here, and that is less common in a HT, because of our warm climate. It also seems to appreciate a little afternoon shade. The petals don't shatter fast (3 days full), and that is a bonus.

It definitely redlines on being one of the closest to shovel pruning, and if I only had a limited space, I certainly wouldn't keep it. However, it will remain. Though it reminds me that some roses just do better if sprayed. It certainly doesn't belong in a no-spray garden, if you have any level of humidity or rain.

Alternatives: IF you're looking for a similarly growing multicolor and fragrant HT with a bit more disease resistance, then I would suggest Sheila's Perfume, which has a delightful more powerful fragrance, more flowers, yet is very healthy in all respects, does excellent in a No-spray environment, and even tolerates a little more sun and heat than CSK.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 8 DEC 19 by HMF Admin
Wow, would that we could get more HMF members to share their experience in such wonderful detail. Thank you for your participation.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 8 DEC 19 by Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
I appreciate that. This is the kind of content I would like to read about on other roses as well. Good karma :)
Also, I only will make a thorough assessment as this after giving it the ability to adjust and grow naturally. All too often, they will become completely different plants after they have settled in and adapted to nature outside of commercial greenhouse culture, where it's likely not growing in realistic conditions to an everyday collector or gardener. I believe all of this allows me to deliver a much more accurate summary.
I also encourage all of my plants to go Own Root, as my own experience has shown to improve the overall health and give it more tolerance to rain and BS. :)
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 2 days ago by Michael Garhart
I went back to Brigadoon. Since almost all in this color range seem to (sadly) get BS, I went back to the one with the most boom'. I had hoped a Gemini type would come along by now, but that never happened. Kordes released a rose call Color Splash, which is similar to CSK, except more flori-shrub, but its also a lot of plant with only moderate bloom.
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Initial post 9 JAN 23 by MiGreenThumb
This is one of those roses I love the look and description of, but it's a victim of Jackson & Perkins absolutely terrible, cringe-worthy, uninspiring, overly commercialized, cutesy, and even downright embarrassing naming program. A child could do better. If the state of their business with how they name roses yields results like this, I feel like it's no wonder that the rest of the organization fell into bankruptcy if it had the same sort of approach and planning!
This is a rose that would probably not acquire due to the name. Maybe I could call it by the breeder code or just give it a much better nickname in my own garden.
I want to try it, and the notes of those whom have grown this rose encourage me.
I love its look, hate the name.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 10 JAN 23 by Nastarana
I wonder if it might be time for some of us to agree among ourselves on some better names for worthy new roses. American writers, respected actors, maybe even American rivers and other geographical features might be among the names considered.
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 23 MAY by drossb1986
I too hate the name. However, it's a really great rose that far surpasses the lackluster name. It's very vigorous, blooms its head off, and has unique coloring...kinda like Vavoom but with a milky tone. It is so good IMO it almost falls into that Knockout-Iceberg-Belinda's Dream category of easy-to-grow roses.
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 24 MAY by Nastarana
There does not seem to be a patent. It could be propagated and sold under any name the seller cared to use.

Do we know who, exactly, at J & P is responsible for the horrible naming?
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 24 MAY by Lee H.
Something that bad must have been by committee.
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 24 MAY by Nastarana
The committee is hiding behind anonymity and is likely dominated by one overbearing person who wants things to be "cute" and "positive". Unless and until names are publicly named, the offensive monikers will likely keep coming. Protests by Asian Americans, a community of free spending avid gardeners, over 'Ch-Ching'--no way would I buy that, though it looks to be an excellent rose--had no effect on J&Ps naming practices. The worst part of this is that many folks don't realize that the breeders have no say in names, nor, according to Peter Schneider, even on which roses are selected for release.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 2 days ago by Michael Garhart
Breeders have very little control unless its something like Kordes -- a corporate xfamily affair. Then, I don't know. Even then, they are still at the whim of factors as random as a big box store buyer's lunch choice that fateful day in some random city, USA, that Kordes or whoever have never even been to.

The entire process of rose selection and production is honestly a bizarre affair. Wholesale horticulture in general is an odd duck.

Breeders can say no, I don't want my rose produced, and if they have power (which is ungodly rare), some say in some things. But a breeder would not say no because that's tossing potential money away, unless they saw that going forward would be a financial hit.
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Initial post 3 days ago by Michael Garhart
From Portland Nursery, this one will be the Rose Festival rose of the year pre-intro. They rename them for the event, and so it was titled:

"'Heart of Portland'
Red, double roses unfurl from sharply pointed buds against a backdrop of dark, glossy-green foliage that begins with unusually deep, pinot new growth on this medium-tall hybrid tea.

Class: Hybrid Tea
Plant Habit: Medium-tall
Growth Habit: Upright slightly spreading
Stem Length: Medium-long
Foliage Color: Dark very glossy green
Disease Resistance: Good
Flower Color: Medium even red
Bud Form: Shapely pointed
Flower Form: Spiraled, cuppy & double
Flower Size: Medium-large, around 4-5 inch diameter, usually single
Petal Count: 30 to 45
Fragrance: Moderate fruity
Parentage: All My Loving x Drop Dead Red
Hybridizer: Christian Bédard
Introducer: Weeks Roses"
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 2 days ago by Patricia Routley
Thanks Michael. ‘Heart of Portland’ added.
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