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2 JUN 10 by
 jedmar
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This is 'Mousseline'. 'Alfred de Dalmas' as synonym is incorrect.
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Jedmar,
Most of the references link the two names - are you suggesting they're all incorrect ?
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#2 of 3 posted
3 JUN 10 by
Dagmar
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Hello,
just looked it up in the Encyclopedia of Roses (Royal Horticultiral Society, UK). They list this rose under "Alfred de Dalmas" and state as synonyme "Mousseline". So, I think both names are used for the same species.
Best regards
Dagmar
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#3 of 3 posted
8 JUN 10 by
jedmar
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Yes, the problem exists in new literature where everybody copies from each other.
If you check the references for 'Alfred de Dalmas' and 'Mousseline' you will see that the earliest reference which states them as synonyms is from 1959. There is no synonym mentioned in the period 1881-1958. For me, this means that they are NOT synonyms. What probably happened is that after World War II the same rose was identified as AdD by some and as Mousseline by others; Richard Thomson got both under different names and decided they are the same; everybody else copied his statement.
When one reads the 19th century and the pre WWII descriptions of both roses, one comes to the conclusion that the rose currently in commerce under both names is 'Mousseline'. 'Alfred de Dalmas' does not exist anywhere.
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7 MAR 08 by
Dagmar
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This rose is in Germany also available from Lacon.
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29 FEB 08 by
Dagmar
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This rose is now obviously also available in Germany from Rosenversand C. Fechner (contained in your nursery listing).
This info ist not confirmed by personal contact, I just discovered the rose in their online catalog.
Regards
Dagmar
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29 FEB 08 by
jedmar
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Thank you, Dagmar. We still need to add all their roses.
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