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This looks like a lovely rose that deserves to be grown in the USA. Alas, like so many very worth Fryer roses, no nursery is propagating and selling his creations. This really disappoints me. Isn't there any nursery that is looking for worthy garden roses? If so, look no further than the creations of Gareth Fryer. And this rose here is a good example.
I guess you can tell I'm a Fryer fan! Believe me, it's based on observation and experience. His roses are the equal of anyone's. The best of them better than the best from Harkness or J&P.
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Greetings from a kindred spirit Jeff. 'Tatton' is too on my "to be acquired" list. It's got a good reputation so far in the Northwest.
I was just reading your profile. You might try hybridizing in your smaller garden but I'll warn you. It's ADDICTIVE! I do it here on my 1/3 acre parcel near Palm Springs but I end up giving many things away.
My Horticulture degree is from Cal Poly San Luis Obispo.
I was disappointed to hear Rod McClellan sold out to Scott's. I've been a fan of Supersoil for years. I sure hope they don't alter the formulation. Robert
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Thanks for your reply, Robert. Nice to hear from a kindred spirit. I don't really have room to do much hybridizing, though I do dabble in a FEW things (dahlias, delphiniums, dianthus) that don't take much room or much time to rogue. Roses are a great temptation and perhaps some day if I move out to the country and have the room to raise all the seedlings.
The sale of Rod McLellan Co. to Scotts was a good thing for the McLellan family who held on to their company through some challenging times. I doubt that the formula will remain the same since most consumers don't know or care much what's in the bag. It's all about brand loyalty, price and shelf/bay real estate at the big retailers. Independent retailers sell a fraction of the total volume of bagged organics. Home Depot, Lowe's, WalMart, Target, OSH, and their ilk own the category. You need to be a big boy to play with these retailers, and Scott's is much better equipped to do battle and prevail than we ever were. We were very nimble, clever and persistent, but at some point you run out of cards. I sure would hate to be in the potting soil business now with diesel at its current price. Soil is freight in a bag. I bet
Scott's is losing money on every bag they sell right now. Better them than the McLellan family.
We should meet sometime! Jeff
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By the way, Robert, Gareth is looking for someone to trial, propagate and sell his varieties in the USA. I've talked to a few people, but amazingly there aren't any takers. He really has great stuff and it frustrates and amazes me that it is ignored here. Tantau and Lens as well. What's up with American rose growers? Jeff
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Jeff, contact me directly? Your message function is set to "no mail" as default.
Yes, I was a vendor to big box stores for years. Sadly, I know the drill.
Thanks, Robert PSroseguy@Hotmail.com
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I just got this message today! I will contact you be email or you may do the same to me. Jeff / *******@gmail.com
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Jeff, it is best to never include you email address in a public forum like this. It is a sure way to get added to spammer's email lists.
It is not necessary to provide your email address here and if you do wish to reveal it to another HMF member please use the "Private Message" feature as those messages are not displayed publicly.
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By the way, Pickering now lists Tatton as available, along with a number of Fryer Roses. Hurray! Now if we can just get more roses from Tantau and Lens....
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The photo here and the description don't match very well. Which is correct, the photo or the description? I hope there is someone who can shed some light on this. It's a shame to see plant entries on HMF where something is so obviously out of whack.
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16 FEB 09 by
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Jeff, this is an obscure rose in North America. If you take a look at the References, you will see that the published descriptions also conflict: two report blood red, one reports light pink. I agree it's a shame, but in this case, there's a matter of identity that requires resolution.
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I agree with you completely. I guess I would wish that when someone posts a picture that is at odds with the description of the plant, that they might make some comment to the effect that there is some problem with the identity of this rose. Posting the picture without comment only furthers the confusion rather than making an effort to resolve it.
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6 JUN 08 by
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I purchased a Julio Iglesias this year looking for a good, scented crimson and white striped rose. I had heard that Scentimental was a bit stingy with it's blooms after the first flush, and was hoping that Julio would be more abundant than its parent. It isn't. The bush has been very slow off the mark to repeat. My other modern hybrids are all busy with their second flush of bloom, but Julio Iglesias is just starting its new growth with buds good 5 weeks off. It makes a very leafy bush, and it's foliage seems disease resistant. The flowers themselves are very fragrant, in the rather sharp pernetia fashion. The flowers opened up attractively striped crimson and white, but the crimson quickly faded to a rather dull pink. Since I wanted a quick strongly reblooming, crimson and white striped double rose, Julio Iglesias will have to go on the compost heap. I cannot recommend him.
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I don't know where you live but in Los Angeles Scentimental never stops blooming. I just bought Son of Scentimental (and Shocking Blue- another BIG doer) and am hoping it follows suit.
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Well, I suggest you look at the comments here about Scentimental on it's page. They do not suggest rapid rebloom. I am VERY happy to hear it repeats well for you, but I am not sure what "Son of Scentimental" is.
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4 SEP 08 by
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"Son of Scentimental and Schocking Blue" is: Julio Inglesias. I know of several Scentimental owners in So. Calif who concur with me that it never stops blooming. It does not make the greatest cut flower nor is the petal texture very rich , but it DOES BLOOM!
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