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Paul Barden
most recent 30 MAY HIDE POSTS
Initial post 30 MAY by Paul Barden
This rose was discovered growing on an abandoned property at the corner of Chintimini and Brooklane in Corvallis, OR back in 2000. It was growing up the trunk of a conifer and barely visible from the street (and only when it was in flower).
The original plant was destroyed in 2023 when the property was cleared out for development.
most recent 23 MAY SHOW ALL
Initial post 25 APR by Bug_girl
This is such a glorious rose! I wish there was a source for it. Paul Barden why isn't this for sale?!?
Reply #1 of 4 posted 23 MAY by Paul Barden
I have made only a couple copies of it and I need to propagate it more before I can start to offer it. This will take at least another year.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 23 MAY by Bug_girl
Thank you for the reply! I am so glad you are still breeding roses.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 23 MAY by Paul Barden
I'm not. This hybrid dates back to 2010. I retired from the work in 2011.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 23 MAY by Bug_girl
Understood. Thanks again!
most recent 19 MAY HIDE POSTS
Initial post 19 MAY by Paul Barden
In a forgiving climate, this can easily build up to a 6 foot shrub over decades. It will happily exceed 2 feet tall in average conditions, with little pruning needed.
most recent 28 APR SHOW ALL
Initial post 29 MAR 11 by Michael Garhart
Hi Paul,

Why is it named Little Butch? Its cute, regardless, but I am curious if there is a story to pass on?
Reply #1 of 11 posted 12 FEB 22 by Paul Barden
February 2022: Honestly, I have no recollection of naming this rose. Its obviously just a nickname (its NOT a registered variety, and certainly not by that name) and I haven't a clue why it got called this.
Reply #2 of 11 posted 16 FEB 22 by Michael Garhart
Ah, I think this is the bloom you handed me in your greenhouse. If it is and I recall correctly, it turns a nice mauve with time. I thought it was cute.
Reply #3 of 11 posted 19 FEB 22 by Paul Barden
I don't remember, Michael. Might have been. Not many other possibilities, really.
Reply #4 of 11 posted 25 APR by Paul Barden
I'm curious how this escaped into commerce, as I have not shared this with anyone in the business.
Reply #5 of 11 posted 27 APR by Michael Garhart
Not moi. I didn't even use the pollen :) That was like? 2012? I am unsure what happened to Neil, but I know he didn't take it an accidental one with him. Hopefully it wasn't someone with Edward Scissorhands walking by... that's a yikes.
Reply #6 of 11 posted 27 APR by Michael Garhart
Oh pfftt I'm blind. Apparently you're saying someone shared it with RVR? I just noticed it has a known seller.
Reply #7 of 11 posted 27 APR by Paul Barden
It got into RVR's inventory and now it's in Convivial Rose's catalog too. No idea how it escaped, since I didn't share it with anyone else.
Reply #8 of 11 posted 27 APR by Michael Garhart
You picked a bloom, showed me, I took it home, it aged. I thought it looked cool. I didn't even use its pollen because of ethics, so I don't know. But it wasn't me. I didn't even share the rose I emailed you a photo of because I thought it was unethical unless I transformed it at least one more generation. The one I bred out of that Shadow Dancer/Fingerpaint that was at death's door, and did die that following winter. You told me to save its genetics, and I did. Hell, I didn't even know I was going that day. The guy I was with was like we're going on an adventure and I was like cool where lol. I was helping him disassemble his factory at the time cause I was laid off, cause for some reason America thought variable loans were an amazing idea, and people like me in horticulture paid for their precious wisdom.

Anyway, I wouldn't even give Janet my dog's fart in a dime bag. They killed all of my test material before I even met you. I don't know who else did, but it was not via my fingertips. If anything, I'm still hoping RVR goes under so another nursery can further take its place. Like High Country.
Reply #9 of 11 posted 27 APR by Nastarana
I have been reprimanded online, for complaining about RVR, on the grounds that we must support our remaining nurseries. Maybe some folks can afford mislabeled plants and shipments sent to the wrong address, but I can't. I would also like to know what became of the Ashdown collection they bought.
Reply #10 of 11 posted 27 APR by Paul Barden
Sorry, no - I didn’t mean to imply I thought you leaked it! I was just wondering out loud how this got out.
Reply #11 of 11 posted 28 APR by Michael Garhart
Okay. Thanks, Paul.

Nastarana: If they don't like/want it, they can edit or delete my post. I don't really care. I won't cry about it. I'm not going to lift a finger in favor of immoral deeds. I'm tired of abusive business practices.
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