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most recent 12 days ago SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 6 OCT 22 by Alain Meilland
Dear HMF,

AM668 is now AUDREY FLEUROT® Meicatess

So far, only available in Europe ;)

Matthias
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Reply #1 of 15 posted 6 OCT 22 by jedmar
Thank you, Matthias!
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Reply #2 of 15 posted 22 MAR 23 by Mike_Fitts
Hoping it makes its way to America. Beautiful rose!
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Reply #3 of 15 posted 9 JAN 24 by TaysDragon
This is now available in the USA from Menagerie Farm & Flower in the USA as Loves Me, Loves Me Not™.
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Reply #4 of 15 posted 9 JAN 24 by Mike_Fitts
Thanks for letting me know
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Reply #5 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by Patricia Routley
Taysdragon, do you have a label please, or website that links MEIcatess with ‘Loves Me, Loves Me Not’.
Thanks.
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Reply #6 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by jedmar
Same photo as on Meilland's website
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Reply #7 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by Patricia Routley
Aha - thanks Jedmar.
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Reply #8 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by Alain Meilland
hello HMF,

Using the same picture doesn't mean it is the same variety. Couple of example :

1) A close up picture of Baipeace can be use for Baipeacesar (climbing mutation, but flower is similare)

2) Another was the mistake by Barni of using the picture of ARTHUR RIMBAUD® Meihylvol for their variety 'Serenata' (no varietal name).

But I confirm that Meicatess is now sold in US by Menagerie Farm & Flower under the trademark 'Loves Me, Loves Me Not™'

Matthias
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Reply #9 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by jedmar
Thank you for the confirmation, Matthias!
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Reply #10 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by Mike_Fitts
Thank you for confirming this Matthias!
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Reply #11 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by TaysDragon
Thank you very much, Matthias!
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Reply #12 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by TaysDragon
'Meicatess' is listed in the details section on Menagerie Farm & Flower Loves Me, Loves Me Not™ page. I should have included that information earlier. Sorry about that. For some reason, HMF will not allow me to add a direct link to that webpage.
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Reply #13 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by Patricia Routley
Thanks TaysDragon. I hadn’t opened the ‘details’ section- should have looked harder.
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Reply #14 of 15 posted 12 JAN 24 by Ericchn
The link should begin directly with www in order to be seen.
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Reply #15 of 15 posted 12 days ago by Benaminh
New for my region in 2024. Label from local nursery in Northern California.
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most recent 29 DEC HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 27 DEC by Benaminh
Not too sure about this one — terrible marketing picture. ‘All My Loving’ is one of my favorite newer introductions and I’m not a fan of pink! It is a huge improvement over Maria Callas (aka Miss All American Beauty). On the other hand, every time I’ve seen ‘Drop Dead Red’ in the nursery or municipal rose garden my reaction is “Meh.” AML is a good garden plant, so I can see why it’s used as pod parent, but why on earth was ugly flowered DDR chosen as pollen parent? Lasting Love or Firefighter would have made more sense. I’m keeping an open mind about this one, but will not purchase until I’ve seen it grow and bloom first in someone else’s garden.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 28 DEC by Nastarana
Perhaps for the healthy foliage and brightness of the color. I agree, DDR is not a rose I would buy, but I would like to see that foliage with a pretty flower.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 28 DEC by Benaminh
Crimson Bouquet or Peak Performance would have been better than DDR for foliage & color. Who knows, maybe they did attempt those crosses but nothing good resulted. In the last 2-3 years the latest releases from Weeks Roses have been humdrum, I guess that’s what happens when they fired their in house hybridizer Bedard. The same lackluster introductions are at David Austin too after Senior died. I get that everyone wants easier to grow plants, but sacrificing beauty & charm is not going to sell roses. They’re all starting to look like landscaping shrubs at industrial office parks.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 28 DEC by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Ben, you should be breeding roses if you're not already.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 29 DEC by Nastarana
I didn't know about Bedard leaving Weeks. Has he gone elsewhere in the rose business?

I don't understand rose economics anymore. Seeing the prices DA's "superseded" roses are selling for on Ebay, you would think nurseries might simply propagate the OOC cultivars and not sign on with the DA company at all.

I am also curious about what is in the contracts with the Kordes company. Do nurseries who want to offer the latest from that company have to agree to sell nothing but Kordes roses?
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most recent 8 DEC HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 6 DEC by Benaminh
…But is it any better than Flaming Peace, Kleopatra, Osiria, or Dark Knight?!
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 8 DEC by Michael Garhart
Most modern roses are better than Dark Night. It's one of the most disease-prone modern HTs I've seen since the 1990s.

Since 'Love' is the bicolor staple still being sold all over North America, that's probably the one to compare, then compare it to others similar in its era. At least from a commercial grower's POV.

The foliage is better. Love has a decent plant shape and decent bloom shape, but the color is drab, and the foliage is very matte red to green, which is not that attractive. Resistances are average, which is sadly better than, for example, Snowfire. Cherries and Champagne probably win in the vigor and foliage selection arena. But the color and form have a problem. They're not very defined in any way. If I was working at a premiere nursery, I'd still direct a non-rosarian customer to 'Love', because I know its a staple that delivers and I won't get in trouble for overselling a product.

Or to be honest, I would tell them to forget an large-flowered bloomer and just get Take It Easy, because I know that's the best current answer out in most nurseries.

So, this leads me back to your original question: I don't think that "it" bicolor HT has been produced in a very long time, and so I have to give a sufficient answer outside of the norm.
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most recent 7 DEC SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 3 AUG by Bug_girl
The backs of the petals are not white on the rose in this image. Cosmic Clouds has white on the reverse of the magenta-purple blooms. The rose pictured also appears too bluish to be Cosmic Clouds. This rose also is too big and doesn’t have enough petals. It looks more like blue for you.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 5 DEC by Benaminh
The attribution is accurate. The nursery tag for this rose is the next picture. These are the colors and form we get in California, and they match the advertising literature. These colors are similar to its parent Stormy Weather. If anything, your photos of this rose in Utah look washed out and more closely resemble Blue For You. Thank you for the comment but you are mistaken.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 7 DEC by Bug_girl
Ok! Thanks for the info. I always want to learn new things about roses.
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