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RosePapa Meilland ® (Hybrid Tea, Meilland, 1963) most recent 25 DEC 16 SHOW ALL

Initial post 21 JUN 05 by Unregistered Guest

How does this compare to Mr Lincoln or Black Magic, as I have both of these in my garden now. Does it have the velvet texture ? How long do the blooms last? --K Haas	REPLY

Reply #1 of 12 posted 22 JUN 05 by Anonymous-97434

Papa Meilland is a weaker grower, just as fragrant as Mr. Lincoln, much blacker and more addicted to mildew and rust. Papa Meilland, Mr. Lincoln and Oklahoma are all from the same parents and share similarities. Meilland is the weaker grower and more diseased troubled. Its blooms should last similarly to Mr. Lincoln. I haven't grown Black Magic so I can't comment on it. Would I grow Papa Meilland? I have grown it. It's beautiful. If you want "black roses" with fragrance, Papa and Oklahoma are two of the 'better" black roses.

Reply #5 of 12 posted 30 JUL 07 by BAM

I am interested in trying Papa Meilland, and would like to know if it can stand up to the heat in the summer. I live in zone 7 in the mid Atlantic region, and it gets hot and humid. Opening Night and Olympiad do well, lasting a week to 10 days in the garden, but have no scent. Love's Magic (Liebeszauber) only lasts 3-4 days from tight bud with open sepals to seeing the edges of the bloom "burn". I want to find a dark red rose with good scent that will last a week in the garden.

thanks,
BAM

Reply #6 of 12 posted 30 JUL 07 by Judith C.

Papa Meilland was created in a hot place, zone 7, where I am. I haven't got that one, but Botero stands the heat very well, as does the new Harkness Carris ... Botero has a fantastic scent ...	REPLY

Reply #7 of 12 posted 30 JUN 12 by Tom Smith

Hey, Tom here! Where did you purchase your Botero from? According to the HMF site all of the vendors are out of the country. (USA) If you have any ideas on how to get a plant, let me know. Thanks!	REPLY

Reply #8 of 12 posted 1 JUL 12 by HMF supporting member

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Reply #9 of 12 posted 1 JUL 12 by Judith C.

Reply #2 of 12 posted 25 JUN 05 by Terre

I have had good experience with Papa Meilland and really treasure it's rich color. It is somewhat subject to mildew just like it's sibling Mr. Lincoln, and does not grow the hefty canes (yet) that Mr Lincoln can. It does have a velvety substance or texture and is best grown with companion plants to reduce burning from sunglare and heat reflecting soil. Terre	REPLY

Reply #4 of 12 posted 20 JUL 07 by BAM

Terre,

I saw your answer to a question you posted in 2005 concerning Papa Meilland and its potential for the petals to burn. I live in the mid Atlantic region, and it gets HOT and HUMID in the summer. Do you think I will have trouble with petal burn, and will it be worth trying? Also, could you comment on the "shape" of the bush, rounded like 'Sunset Celibration, Wide V like 'St Patrick', etc.

Thanks,
BAM

Reply #3 of 12 posted 30 AUG 05 by Unregistered Guest

Most will say that Papa is more difficult to grow than Mr Lincoln, however I have not found Papa that touchy. I feel that Papa has a more pleasant sweeter fragrance that Mr Lincoln (although both are super!). Mr Lincoln in my garden opens flatter and is slightly lighter in colour. On the negative side Papa's growth is more untidy that Mr Lincoln.

I have not grown Balck Magic so I cannot comment on this rose.

Reply #10 of 12 posted 25 DEC 16 by HMF supporting member

Michael Garhart

Black Magic is virtually scentless, and quite cold prone. Mr Lincoln and Oklahoma are HUGE HTs. I have seen many that are 10' tall here. Papa M, like Crimson Glory is a weak little thing, with really neat blooms.

Firefighter is really good, but not "black". Velvet Fragrance is also great, and dark, but it is very heat prone.

There really is no "best fragrant black-red" yet. It's a color littered with issues yet to be bred out.

I am currently growing Claret. It will be its 2nd year next summer, so time will tell. It is dark, short, and fragrant.

Reply #11 of 12 posted 25 DEC 16 by HMF supporting member

Nastarana

There was heavy rain one spring in the Central Valley. That year, the Mr. Lincoln blooms were as big as dinner plates.	REPLY

Reply #12 of 12 posted 25 DEC 16 by HMF supporting member

Michael Garhart

Yup. Proudland gets that way too.	REPLY

RoseJohn F. Kennedy most recent 13 DEC 15 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 13 DEC 15 by Tom Smith

In reference to John F. Kennedy rose plant: I have learned that this plant can be unpredictable. One year not so wonderful, dug it up. Because of my admiration and respect for who it is named plus I love classy white blooms, I bought another plant ( in fact two). I planted these in another location, (full sun) added good mulch and water regularly. KABOOM! Like popcorn, my bushes were full of beautiful perfectly formed roses Almost non stop! I had other roses play tis trick on me too over the years. I love this rose! Rated 10.0 on my scale and I am picky!

RoseSomething Special (hybrid tea, McGredy, 1991) most recent 28 NOV 15 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 28 NOV 15 by Tom Smith

Hey Everyone! Happy Holidays. Tom here in Jackson, Ms. Does anyone know where might find the plant or cuttings for Something Special? Vintage had it. There are no listings on HMF under buy from in the US. If so please send me an email xxxxxxx@yahoo.com. Thanks!	REPLY

Reply #1 of 1 posted 28 NOV 15 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Tom - would you remove your email address. It apparently attracts spam to the site. If anyone knows any more about 'Something Special' (I am presuming Tom wants the McGredy hybrid tea, not the Hill Floribunda) would you please open up Tom's page and you will see "Send PM" [private message] on the top left.	REPLY

RoseOsiana ™ most recent 27 NOV 14 SHOW ALL

Initial post 11 MAR 14 by Ariel7

Reply #1 of 1 posted 27 NOV 14 by Tom Smith

Classy Roses in Jackson, Mississippi grows their plant for sale.	REPLY