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Initial post 17 APR 16 by Michael Garhart
The photos are really pretty. Definitely descends from Pernets, but the foliage is too nice to be purely Pernet type. The foliage is really pretty in the photos.
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Reply #1 of 13 posted 17 APR 16 by Deborah Petersen
The blooms are somewhat longer-lasting than your typical "here today, gone today" Pernetiana, too. Last three days each, at least.
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Reply #2 of 13 posted 17 APR 16 by Patricia Routley
Vintage also had 'Mevrouw G. A. van Rossem' and 'Heinrich Wendland', so it is obviously not either of those.
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Reply #3 of 13 posted 18 APR 16 by Michael Garhart
I have not seen it in person, so it is hard to judge, but some of the traits resemble wichurana traits, sometimes seen in Brownell's roses, and I see in my own hybrids. The foliage density, foliage shine, prickle type. But this is a standard bush type?
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Reply #4 of 13 posted 18 APR 16 by Deborah Petersen
Yes -- it grows tall over the course of the summer, vigorously extending its canes, but, still, like a typical bush.
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Reply #5 of 13 posted 18 APR 16 by Michael Garhart
I wish I could help further. The foliage is a lot like Orange Ruffels and Lafter, which have a similar plant type, too. I looked at all sorts of Brownell Roses, as well as roses from Golden Glow. I don't know what this rose actually is. In some photos, Orange Ruffels *almost* looks the same, but I think that is coincidental.
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Reply #6 of 13 posted 18 APR 16 by Deborah Petersen
There is variability in the color of the bloom. So far, the posted photos of the blooms are mostly in the apricot, orange or straw phase, but it does become a clear yellow sometimes. I've just put up a little photo of it in a bud vase showing the yellow phase. It is a mystery -- the virus likely indicating it was once a commercial variety, but no obvious candidates.
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Reply #7 of 13 posted 18 APR 16 by Michael Garhart
Wow, yeah. The color range is wide. The petal shape is uncommon for Pernet types too.
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Reply #8 of 13 posted 5 AUG 16 by VictoriaRosa
Just FYI-- I have both Orange Ruffels and Lundy's Lane Yellow and they are very different roses.
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Reply #9 of 13 posted 13 AUG 16 by Michael Garhart
Thanks for the update on this mystery! Do you have other Brownell roses or roses that look like this mystery rose?
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Reply #10 of 13 posted 13 AUG 16 by Patricia Routley
The pedicel prickles, the veining on the petals, and the deep green leaves are all directing my thoughts to something like 'Mevrouw G. A. Van Rossem' or a relation of that rose. I am in the middle of adding references for Mevrouw and note that there are a couple of other similar roses mentioned that you might like to investigate.
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Reply #11 of 13 posted 16 AUG 16 by VictoriaRosa
No, I don't Right now, my Lundy isn't doing so well--I don't think it likes our Oregon climate as well as California, plus, I'm afraid I've let some other plants encroach on it. Which is all to say I don't have a lot to look at right now. It has never grown very well for me; I'll have to decide whether to keep it. Orange Ruffels, on the other hand, I've had for many years now, and while it stays small it is quite healthy and a reliable bloomer.
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Reply #12 of 13 posted 6 days ago by goncmg
Helen Hayes!!! It just came to me! You were on target! The clustering, the confused centers, the bright glossy foliage, the colors and variable coloration, the narrow leaf. Possible differences with number of thorns. But Michael Garhart I think you are have cracked the code here re: Brownell blood.
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Reply #13 of 13 posted 5 days ago by Deborah Petersen
I think Michael Gerhart may have cracked the code, too -- this rose seems very much in the Brownell style, and very much like 'Helen Hayes', if maybe not quite. Vintage did offer 'Helen Hayes' at the same time they were offering this rose, so presumably they could/would have compared them... In their catalog, Vintage describes this rose as having "abundant apple-green foliage" and 'Helen Hayes' as having "glossy olive-brown foliage" (not quite sure what THAT is), but the 'Helen Hayes' foliage in Margaret Furness' photo of it at Ruston's seems very much like the foliage my Lundy's shows (and I wouldn't say either "apple-green" or "olive-brown" -- just a nice deep, shiny green).
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Initial post 25 FEB 18 by Kathy Strong
Heirloom --- the jerks -- have changed the name on this one. I HATE when they do that. Argh! But we better list it. They want this rose to be called "Moonlight in Paris." While I'm sure that is a good marketing name, it just adds confusion UNLESS they get the original introducer and the ARS to change the name for exhibition purposes BEFORE they do it themselves.. Now people will buy the rose under that name and get disqualified in shows when they try to show it under that name.

See, https://www.heirloomroses.com/moonlight-in-paris.html
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 25 FEB 18 by Patricia Routley
Thank you Kathy. Added.
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 15 FEB 19 by VictoriaRosa
Actually, I see Edmunds is also calling it Moonlight in Paris. Maybe 'Garden and Home' just didn't have enough zip to it. It is a pretty boring name (probably named for a magazine?)
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 23 FEB 23 by StefanDC
It's important to remember that all of these fanciful "names" are actually trade designations, and not names at all--in fact, the ARS does itself a great disservice as ICRA for the genus by referring to exhibition "names" when those approved "names" are frequently trade designations instead. These are not to be regarded as, or confused with, cultivar epithets under the International Code of Nomenclature for Cultivated Plants, which the ARS is obliged to follow as ICRA. Known trade designations should also always be displayed along with the cultivar epithet.

It would be far better for the ARS to fulfill its obligations under the ICNCP by better and more consistently emphasizing that there is only one accepted name for each cultivar, consisting of a true cultivar epithet, which is to be indicated by enclosure within single quotation marks. Likewise, trade designations should ideally be displayed in different typeface or otherwise set apart from the cultivar epithet, and must never be enclosed in single quotation marks. For this cultivar, 'Delanac' is the correct name. The others are technically meaningless proprietary trade designations that may be employed freely only in a non-commercial context as a matter of "fair use." Proprietary trade designations are bereft of any true connection to the actual cultivar; the owner of such a designation may apply it to as many different varieties as desired, to change the designation or designations that it uses for a cultivar however it sees fit, and of course, there is no limit to the number of trade designations that a single cultivar may be sold under.
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 23 FEB 23 by jedmar
The Approved Exhibition Name by the ARS is so last-century! No one outside of USA cares. It's time the Guidelines for Judging Roses are revised and simplified, if the ARS doesn't want to end up as an anachrony.
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 23 FEB 23 by Kathy Strong
This comment by me was 5 years ago. In the meantime, Bob Martin, who handled these things for the ARS until he passed, did change this rule. I believe that roses in ARS shows can now be shown under any name used to market them, including this rose, now commonly known in the USA as Moonlight in Paris.
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 23 FEB 23 by Lee H.
“What’s in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet…”

I doubt the Bard ever imagined modern marketing. What I will say is that it has been a very good rose in my garden, and it probably would never have had the chance, but for the fact that Heirloom capitalized on an equally good name.
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 24 FEB 23 by StefanDC
Good on ARS for making at least that much of an adjustment--does it now insist on the use of the actual cultivar name as well? That would be a much more substantial improvement than simply allowing the use of any marketing designation (which is by definition not a name).
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 24 FEB 23 by Kathy Strong
Pretty much anything you use that identifies the rose will be allowed now.
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most recent 4 APR 22 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 7 FEB 18 by VictoriaRosa
Re: parentage, according the Jackson & Perkins catalog/web site it's a cross of Melodie Parfume'e and New Zealand.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 23 MAR 22 by SpikeyGuy
Have you had a chance to smell it? -It's parent "Melodee Perfume" is one of my favorite rose scents, but is said to be "stingy" in blooms after initial spring flush. J&P claims it has a great scent, but doesn't go into much detail. --I'm weighing it against "Sweet Intoxication" (also with Melodee P. parentage). Given Intoxication's 40 member "excellent" rating, it might be the better choice!
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 4 APR 22 by Matthew 0rwat
I have grown this for several years and the scent is very strong, on par with other heavily scented lavender roses
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most recent 17 MAY 21 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 25 FEB 04 by Unregistered Guest
Could you please tell me if Lavender Lassie is resistant to black spot or other diseases? Also, I would like to know where I could find this rose.

Thanks!
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 25 FEB 04 by Unregistered Guest
This rose does very well in my area, near the ocean and the only problem is with rust and that's preety much my fault for watering it too much, you can find this rose at

http://www.regannursery.com/roses/detail.lasso?ID=351

which is where i ordered it from, as with most rose orders, you can only order from late november to the end of the year, this place has always shipped me healthy plants with large canes....... good luck, its a beautiful rose....

Valleyforge Ocean View Rose Garden
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 9 JUL 06 by Portlandrose
Heirloomroses.com carries it own-root.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 11 JAN 08 by bob diller
I find Lavender Lassie to be blackspot tolerant. It gets it, but it's vigorous enough to far outgrow the effects of it. The flowers are lovely and perhaps a clematis planted with it wil give it the look of more leaves and be acceptable. A blue clematis would look smashing with it. I got mine from Roses Unlimited, own root and its been growing fine for me now for 2 years. I have it growing up and over a Meidiland Alba which is a disease free champ, so there are plenty of leaves when Lavender Lassie loses a few to black spot.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 4 FEB 14 by VictoriaRosa
I have found it to be very disease-resistant in my Zone 8, cool rainy winters, mild dry summers, zone. It may have gotten a little blackspot, but not so I really noticed.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 17 MAY 21 by Gdisaz10
Yes it is very resistant and if on its own roots an excellent climber!
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