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Robert Neil Rippetoe 
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This rose roots easily and grows well and vigorously on its own roots. My cutting is 2 years old and in bloom almost constantly during the season.
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Most Forty-niners are virused. I don't think I've ever seen a clean one. If you have a virus free clone you're very fortunate to find it.
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#2 of 13 posted
8 days ago by
Bug_girl
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Mine came from an 80 year old rose garden. Not saying 49er was there that long but another rose or two were. This also depends on if I've ID'd it correctly. Sure looks like 49er to me! I took the cutting and rooted it myself. If you have any suggestions for what else it might be, please advise.
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#3 of 13 posted
8 days ago by
Bug_girl
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And mine shown no sign of mosaic virus yet!
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The timing sounds about right to find a clean specimen of Forty-niner, and it certainly could have lived that long unmolested.
Your photos are still atypical.
We may have to think about it a bit and possibly bring in some of the more experienced OGR people in order to identify. We have to remember that many of the roses of this period were closely related.
Hopefully other will chime in.
I asked Kim to look at your photos and he agrees they are not typical.
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#5 of 13 posted
8 days ago by
Bug_girl
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Excellent! I would really like an ID that is accurate. I was trained in entomology and not roses, but I'm pretty good at ID if I have a good key. I will say that the heat definitely affects the coloration of my roses. There are times that this rose looks just like one I ID'd as Condessa de Sastago. (If anyone wants to take a whack at authenticating its identity, I'd love that too.) If you need any other pictures, a cutting, etc. please let me know. I have begun to love pernetianas and everything that looks like them. My ultimate goal is to help rescue roses, starting with those I find in my older neighborhood that are at risk of extinction due to no longer being in commercial propagation. Correctly identifying them is pretty important so I welcome all feedback. Can you tell me the parts that are "atypical" so I can apply that to my knowledge base? I would like to one day make a dichotomous key for IDing some of these roses so anyone could figure them out, but that's probably a bigger project than I could ever do.
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See pictures posted from SJHRG, or older illustrations for typical coloration
Yes, temperature affects color, but in my experience, to the degree illustrated in your photos.
Gregg Lowery is likely the best resource for identifying your variety.
Many of us have known this variety for along time.
The fact that it's easy to propagate without budding is another clue it's not correct.
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#7 of 13 posted
7 days ago by
Bug_girl
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I had ChatGPT analyze what I knew about it with some images and draft a "dossier" as it called it. It even gave it a cute found rouse name. I didn't know that 49er was hard to propagate. Thank you for the response. I can email a copy of the report or copy and paste here but it would be a little longish.
Thank you so much for the help!!!
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#8 of 13 posted
7 days ago by
Bug_girl
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I will move the pictures to a journal entry so they don't cause confusion with known 49er images.
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There's a good chance your rose is something more modern.
Don't be surprised if you never come up with a satisfactory answer. There are those that search for the true identity to roses they've found for years. In some cases they assign a new study name and enjoy it none the less.
You'll find many roses posted that way at HMF.
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#10 of 13 posted
4 days ago by
Bug_girl
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Thank you for the help and advice. I'm going to keep looking!
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Surprise!
I noted recently that Certified Roses will is offering 'Forty-niner' in their wholesale catalog for 2026. There's a chance you may find it at a box store near you. I don't know the source of their budwood but I know they have been working to do away with RMV infected propagation materials.
it's an odd, but welcome coincidence.
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#12 of 13 posted
3 days ago by
Bug_girl
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That's wonderful! Thank you for the heads up. Isnt someone using a heat method to kill the virus(es)? In not sure where I saw it. I am still working on a list of potentials for all my unknown roses. Just decided my Sexy Rexy from a box store isn't as advertised. No clue what it is but it has pink stamens. I need to grow it up more.
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U.C. Davis may have provided the heat treated material you describe. If I find out the source I'll let you know.
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Every spring, I absolutely fall in love with this rose. The prolific blooms, the healthy foliage, and the drop-dead gorgeous flowers all win me over. But that’s pretty much it. Rebloom is SLOW and subsequent flushes are not prolific. In addition, my entire shrub is basically one very well-branched cane. It doesn’t look like a wimpy one-cane rose-that cane is thick and robust and from a distance, it looks like a nice full rose bush because of all the branching. I chop it back every spring hoping for more branching and basals. But the basal growth that does come up is very thin and usually dies back in winter (zone 7b). I’m just at a loss. I don’t want to remove this shrub, but I haven’t found a way to help it do better.
NJ/7b/alkaline clay
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I had much the same experience and it hated the heat here. I let it go.
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Dear Mr Rippetoe.
We are a rose nursery in France and I came across your Miracle on the Hudson some years ago. I am deeply impressed by it and it performs wonderfully on our climate, and, since we bought it so far, I was wondering if we could graft it for commercial use. If it was not to be patented in Europe I would indeed be willing to agree on fees. Also, I quickly looked up your other roses and some of them I would love to try and/or sell. If this is of any interest for you, you can contact me at contact@les-racines-du-vent.com so we could discuss things further.
Best wishes and congratulations on your impressive work.
Clement charreyron
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Greetings Clement,
Thank you for your interest and kind comments regarding 'Miracle on the Hudson'. It can be budded but it's very easy to produce own-root.
I will send you an e-mail regarding other varieties. I could use a reliable agent in the EU.
Best wishes, Robert Ribouteau
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I'm sorry to tell you this doesn't look like Forty-niner to me.
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