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RoseSeiryu (hybrid tea, Kobayashi, 1992)
most recent 25 NOV SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 23 APR 10 by Unregistered Guest
Anyone ever seen this rose in real life, or know where to buy it? It's mentioned in a couple of scientific publications about rose pigments and is one of the rosacyanin based blue colors (the sterling silver type lavender mauve clan), unlike say veilchenblau and the gallica tribe which are high pH cyanidin type pigments. Supposedly seiryu is one of the bluest of the blue (although I feel like I've heard that statement thrown around way too many times). Anyway, with so much marketing hype and so many doctored photos, it would be nice to know if anyone's actually seen this rose in person? Thanks a lot.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 23 APR 10 by kev
i wouldnt be 100% sure but i believe this rose maybe one of then new blues that the csiro here in australia worked with a private venture company that the japaness bought the majority shareholding in.if this is correct then this rose has blue genes [ delphiniods ] spliced into it.i believe at the moment they are only available as cut flowers in australia and japan.as yet they are no better and probably not as good as our normal blues.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 17 JUL 10 by Sora
Seiryu is relatively popular in Japan and sold as pots. I have not seen yet, but I have heard this is a beautiful pale blue violet rose.

I remember Suntory's "Applause" rose by kev's comment. As kev wrote, Suntory's partner's Florigene is an Australian venture company. Also Applause is sold as a cut flower only.
And I recall that my mother(is a florist) said it is strikingly blue, and very artificial-looking.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 25 NOV by jmile
I just purchased this rose and it has a bud on it. I will take a picture when it blooms. It is a young plant so it may change when it gets older and in the ground.
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RoseDuc de Fitzjames
most recent 8 JUN SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 12 JUL 10 by kev
the rose pictured here is pink.Duc de Fitzjames is not this colour.It is a deep violet/purple and dark crimson red.
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Reply #1 of 9 posted 13 MAY 12 by MelissaPej
The 'Vintage Book of Roses' says that there are two plants in commerce called 'Duc de Fitzjames', one darker than the other. Mine is lilac pink, similar to the flowers I see in the photos. My plant came from 'La Campanella' in Italy, but I don't know where they got their mother plant. According to Vintage the darker-flowered variety is likelier to be the correct one.
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Reply #2 of 9 posted 13 MAY 12 by HMF Admin
Interesting, thanks for taking the time to sharing this insight with HelpMeFind. Just what HMF is all about - a tool to collect and disseminate gardening information to a participating online community.
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Reply #3 of 9 posted 31 JUL 18 by jedmar
La Campanella has many of their Gallicas from Cour de Commer - the collection of François Joyaux. 'Duc de Fitzjames' in commerce is often 'Mme Lauriol de Barny', a Bourbon rose.
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Reply #4 of 9 posted 3 AUG 18 by MelissaPej
I don't have 'Mme. Lauriol de Barny' in the garden and haven't seen it, at least not identified as such. I took a look at the newest page of photos of this variety on HMF, and, though I haven't made a careful comparison, right now I wouldn't swear that the rose I see in the photos isn't my 'Duc de Fitzjames'. My rose is a good tough variety with opulent blooms, coming easily from cuttings, has never reflowered later in the season, and gets some fungal disease after blooming, though not enough to do it any harm. Lanky in growth; thorny. I'm fond of it, mainly because of the very handsome blooms combined with the ability to flourish in quite poor conditions.
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Reply #5 of 9 posted 4 AUG 18 by jedmar
Melissa, it would be very helpful if you could post some photos of your 'Duc de Fitzjames' on HMF.
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Reply #6 of 9 posted 16 AUG 18 by MelissaPej
I'm a reluctant photographer (and this isn't the season anyway). I wanted to add to my description that my 'Duc de Fitzjames' sets hips, which are rounded oval, about 2cm wide and slightly longer, and smooth, the orifice not wide, sepals not persistent. They haven't matured yet so I don't know their color. A final note: my rose has long-lived canes, and suckers out, slowly and not aggressively.
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Reply #7 of 9 posted 28 MAY by Emily W.
I came here to check on the color of this rose because last year it was a medium to light pink and this year it's quite dark with violet undertones. Would anyone know what would change the color.
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Reply #8 of 9 posted 8 JUN by Palustris
Is this rose on its own roots or is it grafted? Sometimes the rootstock of a grafted plant will send up its own cane that would be a different color than the scion.
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Reply #9 of 9 posted 8 JUN by Emily W.
It's an own root that I bought as a cutting 3 years ago from High Country Roses. As he has come into full bloom, they seemed to have lightened a little, ut still not as light as they were last year. I will try to post a picture from a few days ago.
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RoseČeské 'Práci čest'
most recent 2 DEC 22 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 12 MAY 10 by kev
because of the flower size and other considerations this variety should be considered a polyantha or floribunda.it certainly isnt a large flowered rose.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 13 MAY 10 by Cass
You should address your concern to the American Rose Society's Registration Committee. LCl is the ARS class, and that's what HMF reports.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 2 DEC 22 by NewDawn
I agree that while it may be officially listed, its flowers are no more than an inch. Perhaps this was a translation issue. Perhaps a mention of flower size could be put on the front listing as many readers dont read the comments or even notice the different tabs. Just a suggestion. :)
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 2 DEC 22 by jedmar
The bloom size of 1.25" is there
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RoseSans sépales
most recent 25 JUN 22 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 14 APR 10 by kev
the rose shown hers is that of a deep cerise pink not a light pink.either the description is wrong or the photo is incorrect.In this case, the photo is definately wrong.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 14 APR 10 by jedmar
The photo shows a mislabeled plant in one of the large rosaries. I believe the original 'Sans sépales' is extinct.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 25 JUN 22 by Callimarcio
The original 'Asepala' alias 'Sans Sépales' isn't extinct at all!
'Asepala' is well and fine under its true name at L'Haÿ.
In fact Jules Gravereaux added twice this variety in his collection:

First under the French name : 'Sans Sépales' (originally kept at L'Haÿ in the bed LXXV, B22), then mislabelled in the collections after him, during the 1990's and inexplicably by 'Brennus' (perhaps due to the extreme curators negligence at L'Haÿ).

Second under its Latin name 'Asepala' (bed LXXXI, B19), it came back indeed later through some exchanges with the USA during the late Gravereaux years.

The 'Sans Sépales' however has substituted 'Précoce' (Vibert, 1843) at L'Haÿ, as well other mosses (John Cranston, Rotrou, etc... due to heavy negligence). This problem can be also seen in the Loubert's collection.
In my opinion, after having diving deeply in archives and old collections, this is more the original 'Précoce' who's gone forever...
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 25 JUN 22 by Callimarcio
you're right, 'Sans Sépales' was mislabelled at L'Haÿ and was strangely replaced by the bengal 'Brennus' (Laffay, 1830). This mistake is still present at L'Haÿ and in the Loubert's collection.
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