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This cannot be the same rose as is shown in the other photos for Duchess d' Angouleme. Both flower shape and leaflets are substantially different.
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#1 of 1 posted
14 APR by
pminor
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Yes i think mislabeled i have deleted
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Available from - Lens Rose
https://lens-roses.com/fr_FR/shop/belle-de-terre-franche-15065#:~:text=poudré%20au%20centre.-,Arbuste%20buissonnant%20et%20sain.
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The listed parent, 'Belle Amour', is an alba, not a Gallica. Furthermore, foliage and growth habit in the photos looks a lot more like an alba hybrid than it does like a Gallica. Should this perhaps be classified as a hybrid alba?
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The 1811 in the Thory/Redouté quote refers to the publication of Lelieur's "traité, très estimé, sur la culture du Rosier," not to the development of this rose. According to the text, the rose was bred "several years ago" ("il y a quelques années"), before the publication of this section of their book Les Roses, which, yes, could be 1811, but probably wasn't, as had it been some locution such as "that same year" (1811) would probably have been used rather than "several years ago."
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#1 of 4 posted
12 APR by
jedmar
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The translation of Thory's text is:
This rose was gained from seed at the Jardin fleuriste du Roi, several years ago, by M. Lelieur (of Ville-sur-Arce), author of a very estimated work on the culture of Roses, published in Paris in 1811. So, we have two different events:
- Publishing of the book "De la Culture du Rosier" by Lelieur in 1811
- Breeding of the rose by Lelieur several years before 1824.
The date of 1817 is the earliest mention of 'La Moderne' which we have found.
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I think the word you translated as 'estimated' would be 'esteemed' in English. 'Esteemed' meaning renowned, well spoken of, admired, etc. I love the Portland group only slightly less than I do the albas. A pity this one has not survived; here is hoping someone will find it on some neglected French estate.
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#4 of 4 posted
13 APR by
jedmar
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Yes, esteemed it is
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I believe that anyone who bought this from Heirloom Roses did not receive the correct variety. The picture posted by Deborah's Rose Garden is the "Spiced Coffee" we all obtained and it is no where close to the description. The color is more cream blending into a pink edge and definitely not a lavender shading into coffee.
Whatever it is, I think it is a good rose for my area (Iowa) - always in bloom, nicely shaped blooms, clustered, sets hips. The issue is it just is not what they sold it to be and they should stop selling it as Spiced Coffee. It would be nice to figure out what variety it is but my internet "research" has not come up with anything specific.
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How very sad. In all the years I ordered roses from the Clements I never received a mislabeled plant.
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#2 of 2 posted
12 APR by
jmile
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I have received several that were not like the original rose that I had years ago. This is just one of them. The other was Fire and Ice. They have the wrong Mother Plants.
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