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Personally, I find it hard to believe that this rose is not in some way, shape, or form related to the hybrid rugosa Hansa. Color qualities are quite similar, if not identical....as is the scent, which is 100% identical to Hansa after a side by side comparison of the two today amongst various other rugosas and hybrid rugosas.
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#1 of 4 posted
16 MAY 10 by
 jedmar
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A Swiss nurseryman told me that many 'Roseraie de l'Hay' in commerce are, in fact, 'Hansa'.
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Do you have any new experiences, infos on the identity of Hansa-Roseraie de l'Ay?
I'm interested as i ordered both of them for this winter and curious if i end up with two specimens of the same cultivar...
Doesn't really matter just curious how for example the bush size is stated in several platform, quite a few portals describe Hansa as 120-150 cm tall max and R.D.L. 150-200 cm - which is quite a big difference if i wanna consider the space available for each cultivar...
Thank you for any information!
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#3 of 4 posted
9 NOV 21 by
jedmar
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The easiest way to distinguish them is by the blooms:
- 'Roseraie de l'Hay' has double blooms with the yellow stamens visible. An early reference from "Journal des Roses" points out the similarity of the bloom to 'Souvenir de Pierre Leperdrieux'. You will find a good drawing of this rose on our listing of it.
- 'Hansa', on the other hand, has full, somewhat irregularly positioned petals, with stamens not evident.
You can see that among the photos of 'Roseraie de l'Hay' some which are definitely 'Hansa', and vice versa.
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Oh thank you for the reply, i'm looking forward to observing them both during next season! :)
Peter
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This rose has one of the strongest fragrances of all roses. Blooms are small, but moderately abundant. The center tends to have a creamy pink color upon the creamy/white edges. Fragrance is one of the strongest, if not the strongest, amongst 400 or so other roses I have compared it against.
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19 APR 11 by
Hardy
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Since fragrance is always contentious -- different noses give different results -- I'll throw in my impressions.
Out of several hundred roses smelled, there are a few others I'd place first for strength of scent... maybe 3 or 4. Several more she would approximately tie with. For fragrance *quality* it would also make my top 10 list, it smells wonderful. While many of the other top roses boast rebloom, most of the other contenders are sprawling or climbing roses, often quite thorny, and a few of them get huge. Some are sickly, or require lots of full sun, or aren't very cold hardy. Felicite Parmentier has none of those vices, making it a pretty safe bet in even a tiny garden, or in a pot.
So while I won't crown her the absolute fragrance queen, she might be the closest thing that's compatible with your lifestyle. Give her a sniff yourself, if you can.
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#2 of 2 posted
10 SEP 18 by
AGBTG
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Curious, what would your other contenders for top strength and quality be? I have yet to find anything stronger than rugosas. Being in a room with them can be nauseating and migraine aggravating. But from a distance their sweet smell draws you in like a moth to the flame.
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I am not convinced that Jeffcat's 'Marie Louise' is correctly named. Nor, for what it is worth, am I convinced that the cultivar generally in cultivation under this name is correctly named either. But there does seem to be a consensus both in Europe and North America that the name attaches to a bright pink Damask hybrid with full, flat flowers and weak pedicels. It would be useful to know whether anyone has worked on the problem - starting not from the many synonyms but from the cultivar itself i.e. trying to attest its correct name.
Jeffcat's rose looks to me close to 'Duchesse d'Angoulême' - does any one have any ideas on this?
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Jeffcat! Quick question: This photo appears to be in a residential garden. Is it yours? My Q is about the plant, scent, health and such. I have gathered seeds from a plant in a garden here in California. (I have an odd habit of sowing OP rose seeds.) It's helpful to me to know as much about the mother plants as possible. Do you have any experience with this rose?
Jeffrey
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#1 of 1 posted
18 MAY 12 by
jeffcat
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It's in the Columbus Park of Roses garden. There just so happens that there are homes nearby. The roses has a very strong old rose fragrance. I mislabeled a rose I planted, and I may be in fact growing a young version of Marchioness of Lorne, so I will have to monitor how the plant develops as I believe that is what the rose that I have planted is.
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