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Initial post 12 days ago by Philip_ATX
Ora 72-09 appears to have an additional name according to the site "Promesse de Fleurs." (No reference to other code name from Orard.)

"The Kazatchok Rose ® (Ora 72-09) was recently introduced to the market by the Orard Rose Nurseries, a family business located in Feyzin, near Lyon. It is classified as a modern hybrid tea rose, as evidenced by the turbinated shape of its flowers. Niharika is an Indian name evoking the fine veils of dew that momentarily veil misty mornings."
Reply #1 of 3 posted 12 days ago by jedmar
The Kazatchok Rose is listed as ORAgrapar on our link to the Promesse de Fleurs site and is deep pink. No mention of Ora 72-09, which is 'Niharika' (second part of your quote)
Reply #2 of 3 posted 12 days ago by Philip_ATX is a vender. I unfortunately cannot paste a link to the quote above. Note spelling: is a singular "de fleur"
Reply #3 of 3 posted 11 days ago by jedmar
The company is named Promesse de fleurs (singular promis and plural flowers). It has webseites ending in .ie and .com
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Initial post 3 JUL by Philip_ATX
Neither parent is listed (in respective entries) as being thornless (prickle-free). Is this an oversight, or is neither in fact thornless?
Reply #1 of 3 posted 5 JUL by Kim Rupert
It isn't an over sight. No one who has reported on either parent has mentioned their lack of prickles, hence, nothing about that characteristic has been stated.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 13 days ago by Philip_ATX
Thanks, Kim! Thornlessness is a bit of an enigmatic trait for inheritance to me. I know you have thornless descendants, but some of yours aren't listed as such. Any sense which way the majority lean?
Reply #3 of 3 posted 13 days ago by Kim Rupert
I'm not aware of any which are smooth not being listed as not having them or having few.
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Initial post 22 FEB 19 by Philip_ATX
On the page for Kordes' Orangerie, Michael Garhart and Robert Neil Rippetoe suggest that this rose, while very healthy, vigorous and free-blooming, has blooms that decay very rapidly, and become very unattractive on the bush in their gardens.

The Kordes Europe site gives Firebird stellar health grades, and in a color range that doesn't usually correlate with great health. Has anyone used it for any breeding? It sounds like a strong plant, flower life notwithstanding, and might have great potential as a prospective parent, if the bush sets hips. Can anybody confirm?
Reply #1 of 4 posted 22 FEB 19 by Michael Garhart
Hi, if you look at the pics, I show how badly the color degrades. It was very healthy. The plant was nice, except too tall. It had an odd growth type. Kind of like how 'Long Tall Sally' grows.

It is possible that maybe pollen would work from it with a lot of effort, but it seemed to not prefer to reproduce pollen or seed at will.

Based on the code, it was probably bred from Goldener Sommer 83 and something else.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 22 FEB 19 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Blossoms are brilliant and a beautiful color but are retained too long and end up looking badly faded and very untidy.

In my opinion, this is one of those roses that require diligent maintenance in that it should be pruned back after flowering.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 24 FEB 19 by Philip_ATX
Thanks for your insights! Muchly appreciated.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 9 JUN by Michael Garhart
Currently growing the newer 'Garden Flame', and it shares a lot of traits. So far, it ages better and retains yellow longer. No idea on mature growth yet, but foliage appears to have downy resistance.

No verdict yet. Just notes for now. When I have a verdict for my area, I will try to remember to post it.
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Initial post 22 APR by Philip_ATX
In April, some of new non-blooming laterals have already put on over 4 feet of growth.
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