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most recent 5 OCT SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 2 APR by Michael Garhart
"Size.—Average for a hybrid tea rose. When open, the average flower diameter is 80-100 mm and the average flower height is 40 mm."

So, 3.25 to 4", on average.

I checked because 3.25 alone seemed rather small. So, essentially grandiflora-size, rather than floribunda-size.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 21 SEP by Philip_ATX
Michael, if I may, how would you compare/contrast this one to Sunny Sky by Kordes?
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 25 SEP by Michael Garhart
Neither have blooms the size of Selfridges, a relatively healthy 80s yellow HT by the same breeder family. They are both upright, and both have informal form. They both have special resistances.

Winter Sun is closer to cream, and Sunny Sky does not hold onto its medium yellow for very long. Winter Sun has more elegant peals and foliage, and Sunny Sky has more petals and sandpaper-like foliage. Sunny Sky can be taller than Winter Sun. SS resists downy and canker, and I am unsure if WS does. Have not tested it for that. They both have above average vigor, especially for their class. Although they would fit better with grandiflora class by bloom size along, Sunny Sky can throw classic candelabras grandifloras can be known for. However, SS is very, very prickly, and WS is less so.

I think weekend warriors would be better off with Winter Sun. The shape and height are better for the basic landscape.

However, if I had to get WS, I'd get Sunshine Daydream. It has a lot of personality. If I had to get Sunny Sky, I would get Gold Struck. It is much smoother for roughly the same color category classic yellow going lighter) and informal bloom form. I would not get either SS or WS. There is simply better competition out there, and since there is really no outstanding saturated deep yellow HTs out there, mid to lighter variants should be outstanding. SS and WS simply do not break the mold, except for introducing new blood to the yellow lines. But so do the comparators I mentioned.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 5 OCT by Philip_ATX
Thank you!
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most recent 10 SEP SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 9 JUN by Michael Garhart
So far, about 3 layers of petals. They seem to lay flat when fully opened and exposed and changing color.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 10 JUN by Nastarana
J&P has sold out of this variety, but for the curious, they do have pictures. Brilliant, glowing color in the opening stages. I am personally not a big fan of yellow roses which fade to pink, as this one seems to do in some of the pix here @ HMF.
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 10 JUN by Michael Garhart
Mine went from chrome yellow to umber red. None of the foliage spotted despite its low air circulation location.

Personally, I was hoping for a little fuller bloom, but I'll accept this so far.

Edit: they finally went to white and arf ruddy pink. Bark bark...
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 3 SEP by Philip_ATX
Not what you wanna hear for a member of the "Sunbelt" collection. I was hoping to hear it was far superior to Kordes' Firebird, but this one has no awards nor commendations beyond the marketing material, unlike Firebird.
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 3 SEP by Michael Garhart
It has proven to be better than Firebird here, especially in petal count, initial color phases, and plant habit/size. Health seems to be good in the PNW, as well.

However, the final color is similar, and the form tends to lay flat after a day or so.

Fiesta Veranda is not a heavy bloomer and the blooms fade badly and stay that way for eternity, but the plant is very nice and the plant shape is ideal for the class.

Despite their faults and low petal count, I still prefer Playboy and Sunset Horizon. They're workhorses here in the landscape. I have yet to try out En Fuego, although it appears to be more like Garden Delight in color, so not a dramatic color shifting rose.

Garden Delight is a very good rose, but its not really a color changer like the above roses.

There is still a way to go for this niche of the rose world.
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 6 SEP by Philip_ATX
Star markets as a rose that performs especially well in dry climates. I'm not sure if I should interpret as bs-prone or drought-tolerant. I am in a climate that suffers both, ironically.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 10 SEP by Michael Garhart
I'm truly not sure why they market it that way.
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most recent 4 AUG SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 16 JUN 11 by Simon Voorwinde
Is the seed parent of 'Bonica' a rose called 'Swany' (see: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.2462&tab=1 ). They have identical parentages.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 16 JUN 11 by RoseBlush
Simon..........

The seed parent could be 'Swany' or it could be a sister seedling to Swany' with the same cross.

Smiles,
Lyn
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 17 JUN 11 by Simon Voorwinde
Yes... I guess so :-)
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 3 JUN 14 by Michael Garhart
More likely Swany than Alba Meidiland. Meilland seems to use their own named cultivars, listed as seedlings for their records. Alba Meidiland is absent of sexual parts -- at least in this area.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 4 AUG by Philip_ATX
Swany is triploid, and diploid Alba Meidiland has more offspring listed, so it seems more probable to me Alba M. might be the seed parent, assuming disclosed parentages are accurate.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 4 AUG by Michael Garhart
If it is, they had very tiny fingers and a lot of luck. Its possible, but difficult and requires the dang thing to not act sterile.
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most recent 4 AUG HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 4 AUG by Philip_ATX
The "aunt" of Bonica (MEIdomonac) if not potentially its diploid parent -- assuming the lineage disclosed for this reblooming f1 descendant from species(?!) is complete. The triploid "Swany" is a sister.
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