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most recent 13 days ago HIDE POSTS
Initial post 13 days ago by HubertG
Interesting receptacle.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 13 days ago by Patricia Routley
Reply #2 of 5 posted 13 days ago by jedmar
It differs from the rose in commerce and is more like the receptacle of a damask perpetual.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 13 days ago by Patricia Routley
Henry Curtis, Beauties of the Rose, 1850 included plates of both Chromatella (a more rounded receptacle) and Solfatare (slim receptacle).
Reply #4 of 5 posted 13 days ago by HubertG
Which would be unusual and unexpected in a Tea-Noisette, especially a yellow one. Perhaps it inherits it from one of the early Chinas which are sometimes shown to have those type of slimmer receptacles.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 13 days ago by Margaret Furness
We won't know till DNA comparisons are done, whether "Ma Lovelock's" (the putative Rev. T. C. Cole) is the same as Chromatella: but my notes on it say "variable receptacles".
most recent 14 days ago HIDE POSTS
Initial post 14 days ago by jedmar
The painting is supposedly from 1910.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 14 days ago by HubertG
Jedmar, good to know. It may not be our Irene Watts of course but there couldn't have been too many ladies with that name who were in a social position to have their own portrait painted and/or a rose named for them. It would help to know who the lady with the English surname and with a French-bred rose named after her really was. I can't find anything convincing.
most recent 8 FEB HIDE POSTS
Initial post 8 FEB by HubertG
"Agnes Smith" has a good scent to my nose but it's unlike other Teas and really hard to describe. Trying to concentrate the scent I put a bloom in a small, sealed container and after a while I sniffed it. I found that a distinct damask scent was detectable in this way. It isn't really discernable otherwise, and even after knowing it's somewhere there in the make-up I don't know if I'd be able to detect it on a fresh flower. It makes me think that this rose must have some Bourbon breeding in its background although it's probably distant as I wouldn't think to class "Agnes Smith" as anything other than a Tea. It makes me wonder how late or early a Tea it really is.
most recent 8 JAN HIDE POSTS
Initial post 7 JAN by Margaret Furness
Any suggestions on ID? The parent plant is tall and healthy; my young cutting-grown potted plant is tall. Pacifier, who collected the cuttings from a Melbourne suburb Braybrook, says the colour is very temperature-dependent, and the scent is like rose soap. He thinks it is a 1950s or '60s Peace type, possibly French.
The first flower on my plant is about 12cm across, about the same size as Peace.
It has pink/red stamens. Sorry the reverse photo is out of focus. Photos taken in South Australia, zone 9, summer.
Reply #1 of 7 posted 8 JAN by Nastarana
Are you thinking this is a 'Peace' sport or seedling? "Peace' and the sports I have seen have a characteristic puckering along the midribs of their leaflets. I could not see that at all on photo#1, but there might have been some on photo # 4.
Reply #2 of 7 posted 8 JAN by Margaret Furness
As you say, the leaves aren't right for a Peace sport. Could be a descendant.
Reply #3 of 7 posted 8 JAN by HubertG
Might it be 'Confidence'?
Reply #4 of 7 posted 8 JAN by Margaret Furness
Good suggestion. I'll ask Pacifier. Patricia grows Confidence and may like to comment.
Reply #5 of 7 posted 8 JAN by Pacifier
I think the suggestion of Confidence might be correct. The comments in the reference section seem to match well with this rose. If correct as Confidence, my initial suspicions were pretty close to the mark if I say so myself!
Reply #6 of 7 posted 8 JAN by Patricia Routley
I was under the impression that ‘Peace’ had dark green leaves - and “Braybrook” has light green leaves.
I have added a 2007 and a 2009 photo of my ‘Confidence’ but the plant, on its own roots has not done well here.
Reply #7 of 7 posted 8 JAN by Margaret Furness
The old leaves on my "Braybrook", not that there are many, are darker than the leaves in my photos.
I'm less certain about the references that suggest a paler reverse to the petals.
However the petals do show a faint striping like those in Patricia's photo.
Can someone who grows Confidence please comment on the stamen colour?
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