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Steven Cook 
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I am curious if anyone growing this describe its fragrance and bloom frequency compared to the species.
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#1 of 3 posted
14 APR 17 by
mmanners
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We grow all three forms at Florida Southern College. Temple makes a somewhat more compact bush than the single or "normal" double forms. They all come into bloom at about the same time (late spring), then they all bloom continuously until we prune them the following winter. Because R. moschata produces most of its fragrance from the stamens, generally the more double they are, the less strongly fragrant. The quality of the fragrance is the same, just less of it. I do find "Temple" to be nicely fragrant, but not nearly as powerful as the single form.
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Thanks for your response. Does it produce hips?
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14 APR 17 by
mmanners
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I don't recall seeing hips on "Temple." The single form makes lots of hips; the double form fewer.
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The Quest for the Rose. Phillips & Rix (1993)
It is tetraploid and fertile, so is able to be crossed with modern garden roses. Basye’s Purple is now in commerce. (Rosa rugosa x Rosa foliolosa)
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"Able" to be crossed with other roses, but far from willing and extremely willing to pass on awful plant architecture and terminal mildew. Wonderfully seductive plant in its own right, but a truly awful choice for breeding.
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30 APR 13 by
CybeRose
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No doubt. But I'm curious about it being a tetraploid. Do you know who made the determination?
Karl
I don't have the book, so I'm searching through Google Books. It looks like it was 'Basye's Amphidiploid' that was identified as tetraploid, not 'Basye's Purple'.
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I adore my Ann Endt seedling. It should bloom this year. Its *very* healthy. We still own B's Purple, but I dont use it in breeding, since the plant architecture is ..... atrocious lol. Ann Endt, on the other hand, has a VERY landscape aesthetic plant. The color is just more magenta-purple than beet-purple.
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1 MAR 14 by
CybeRose
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Basye's Purple is certainly an oddity, with its deep and velvety purple blooms against the chlorotic foliage. It might be useful to backcross BP with another Rugosa, aiming for a deeper, purpler form. Or, to R. foliolosa, if anyone needs a darker colored version of that species.
Karl
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I'd be curious to see Basye's Purple as the seed parent with Ann Endt as the pollen parent. You could see an interesting variety of different rugosa and foliolosa characteristics in the offspring.
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I found Basye's Purple quite difficult to use for breeding. In all the years I played with it, its pollen only worked on Yellow Jewel and nothing worked on it. My plant didn't set self hips, either. There were six or so seedlings from its pollen on Yellow Jewel. All had awful, very angular, extremely prickly growth. All were single, white and none repeated. They hung around for several years before I culled them to make badly needed room.
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23 MAR 17 by
CybeRose
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It sometimes (often?) happens that different selections of a species behave somewhat differently. Vilmorin' Rugosa x Foliolosa hybrid (with yellowish-pink flowers) produced seeds.
The Gardeners' Chronicle 40(1023): 95-96 (Aug 4, 1906)
M. Maurice de Vilmorin communicated a note on a new hybrid Rose, a painting of which he passed round for the examination of the Conference, between Rosa rugosa and R. foliolosa, which had the advantage of flowering late in the season.
Mr. Paul congratulated Mr. de Vilmorin on his acquisition.
The Chairman said he should like to ask whether the long flowering was in any way connected with not setting seed?
M. Vilmorin said it was not—it produced good seed.
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A spectacular display. I wonder if this rose has just been overlooked by the rosarian world, or if, perhaps, it requires the particular arid and alpine conditions of Pakistan to thrive. Did you notice a fragrance?
I am curious about the time of year you took these photos. If it is in recent months, that would indicate a strong repeat blooming tendency. It would be interesting to cross this with moschata and see what happens.
These are remarkable photos. Thank you for posting them and congratulations on your trip.
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Hi Steven Cook
Thanks for your kind comments. Rosa webbiana mostly grows in Karakoram Mountain Range which is basically a high altitude desert. It's a combination of very high mountains (hundreds of peaks over 20,000 ft), big glaciers and dry valleys. Summers are moderate with almost no rainfall. Winters are very cold (with temps going 50*C below freezing point in certain areas) with lot of snowfall. There is lot of water in the area in the form of natural springs / glacier streams but no rains. In this terrain, I have seen Rosa webbiana growing up to 12500 ft which is a very high altitude for large size plants. And yes, webbiana has a linseed oil like fragrance of moderate intensity.
I have only seen webbiana blooming once, ie, from end May to July. As you can see in the photos, a large size bush produces thousands of blooms during this time.
I agree it would be very interesting to cross breed webbiana with mostchata. However, I would be equally interested in seeing the results of cross breeding between webbiana and some of the very fragrant modern roses......
best regards
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Angel Gardens and Heirloom Roses both are maintaining waiting lists for Ann Endt. They currently are the only commercial sources for it in the United States, so encourage them and get on a waiting list.
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I'm budding my own now. It's probably faster if you know someone who'll share.
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