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Palatine roses discontinued this rose because it was too popular. They were afraid that its poor plant quality and vigor and lack of disease resistance would turn off novices from growing roses. But what about us veterans that want to give it a try? Now it is no longer available in the USA.
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#1 of 4 posted
22 JAN 16 by
 goncmg
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There is also that photohopped pic of it circulating like everywhere. I bet Palatine was getting tired of handling complaints that the rose doesn't look in the actual garden as it does in that widely circulated picture. I mean, people buy those "rainbow colored rose seeds" on Ebay....so many people with good intentions are really misinformed and naïve with roses. I really don't understand why, either. On that note I heard a horror story of a novice grower who kept picking off the new growth on her spring plant. WHY? Because it was red and not green. Shaking my head.........
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#2 of 4 posted
26 APR 16 by
Buggy
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And this is why I'm still sad. I've been looking for this plant for 3 years now here in the US. No luck. :(
And the search continues....
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26 APR 16 by
goncmg
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Did you see, Buggy, that Roses Unlimited in South Carolina lists it?? The plant would be own root and not budded and if that nursery lists it that may or may not mean they actually have it on stock at this moment---they may need to propagate it. But that is some hope! Hit they "buy from" tab, find R U and hit their link to get to their website. I think you have to email or call for rose availability but they carry great (albeit own root) product. Hope this is good news!
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I received one from Roses Unlimited this spring. It’s proved to be a very decent garden rose, quality blooms, generous, well formed , good repeat. Held decent size and petal count in hot summer. I guess no one told it that it was supposed to be difficult and weak! Very pleasantly surprised, From a 1 gallon plant, it has probably bloomed more in 4 months than Snowfire did in 2 years, plus it’s not crazy with thorns. (And I liked Snowfire, just wished it bloomed more).
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2 JUN 17 by
Buggy
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Being sold as "Wall of Flowers" at Michigan Bulb
I picked one up with my annual order of random sale items to add to my garden to try. :) I'm looking forward to her growth. I've had good results from MB's items as long as I've gotten them in the ground or soaked them promptly. She'll be arriving soon!
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27 MAY 17 by
Buggy
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Mine is in (I think) it's 3rd season (possibly 4th). This spring, she's acting almost like my climbers so far with the buds and growth pattern! She's about 4' tall currently, with nearly no die-back from the winter. She's at the South wall of my house behind another row of roses with roses on both sides of her and some peonies scattered around as well. Time will tell what she does, but she's sweet and gorgeous. I look forward to the buds breaking into flowers in the next few days/weeks (some are just about to pop!).
Sunrise creamy peach, I can't remember her smell but I'll comment later I hope with such info. I'm glad I have her in my mix.
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I love this rose. I still own it, from the year it was introduced. Word to others: It will have low vigor the first year or two, but once it is established, it blooms 3 times per year, with huge sprays of purple. Blackspot has not been an issue, too. Its a good, easy, short floribunda, and its fragrant, too! Just be patient, for its roots to take a hold.
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11 APR 15 by
Buggy
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I totally agree with you! I have five of them myself, where I usually have no more than 2 of any type in my garden. Mine get BS tho, but they are in a cooler, moist shady area for a decent part of the day. The three roses planted 2013 took OFF the next summer, while those planted 2014 are still small but did great over the winter and I look forward to them taking off this year. I always had blooms on at least one of them if not all three older plants - although the flushes were amazing. And the scent is wonderful, as is the coloring.
My biggest problem is the japanese beetles LOVE this rose. I lost one huge flush last July to those jerks.
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I have over 20 first year plants that are constantly blooming with no blackspot. While I've seen a lot of strange colors as they get established, I've also finally seen some purple tones, especially on a day when we get a break from the heat (Z8). But so far, no scent! Could it be my sandy soil or am I just being impatient?
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Yes, soil and fertilizer have a factor on the scent. A friend from alkaline clay sent me a bloom of her Munstead Wood (grafted on Dr.Huey) & fertilized with fish-emulsion. And it was intensely fragrant !! The rose park's Munstead Wood is medium scent. And my own-root Munstead Wood only has a light scent, since it's 1st year.
Roses' scent become stronger in 2nd or 3rd year. My Tchaikosky and William Shakespeare 2000's scents were barely there in the 1st year. Then the scent becomes stronger, and fantastic as the bush gets older. Clay soil does help with scent. The rose park nearby (alkaline clay) has the best scent on many roses ... but Chicago Botanical Garden (alkaline loamy soil) has much less scent on the same roses.
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Thanks for the encouragement! I do have many first year Jude the Obscures with a great scent so I had high hopes for Ebb. That being said, in my no-spray Z8, we had a couple of extremely humid days and Jude is covered in blackspot, along with Heirloom, but Ebb looks perfect.
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I did have some roses in clay but they were really struggling until I mixed in some coarse sand. That helped tremendously but I hope that I didn't sabotage the scent!
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Also chicken manure helps with strong scent. My friend with the best-scent ever on Munstead Wood: she raises her own chicken and fertilizes her roses with chicken manure plus fish-emulsion (for deep colors). My Pink Peace grafted has light scent for 2 years, until I used "Coop Poop" no-odor chicken manure with NPK 2-4-3, the soluble phosphorus and copper in chicken manure gave Pink Peace a good scent, but Pink Peace grafted CAN NEVER measure up to Pink-Peace as own-root.
Another person noted the same as I do: when the soil is alkaline, the fruity and myrrh scent is strong. But Grafted-on-Dr.-Huey secretes more acid, which lessen the fruity and myrrh scent. Which explains why many people, including me complain about Pink-Peace-grafted with weaker scent, but Pink Peace own-root smells wonderfully strong: fruit-loops and butter-cream frosting.
One year I dumped acid-fertilizer on Mary Magdalene and took away its fabulous myrrh scent. Plus it broke out in mildew !! After I scraped off the sulfur/acid, and watered with my pH 9 tap-water, I got the myrrh scent back.
In contrast, the Old Rose scent is stronger when the soil is more acidic, and as own-root matures, it produces more acid, thus the Old Rose scent is more noticeable in the 2nd and 3rd year. The Old Rose scent is strongest with acidic rain water, and folks in CA with alkaline-tap water don't notice much scent in Austin with old-rose scents. A friend in CA could not smell anything from The Dark Lady, but that was the best smelling rose at Chicago Botanical Garden after lots of acidic rain.
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Thanks again for sharing your wealth of knowledge!
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Google "organic rose" and you'll see organic rose forum, where I posted info. on where to buy no-odor Coop-poop chicken manure, plus how to deal with blackspots. I have Heirloom as grafted on Dr. Huey and also grew Heirloom as own-root. The own-root was much healthier, but roots was too small to survive my zone 5a winter. The Heirloom grafted is only happy with fast-draining & loamy potting soil, and tend to blackspot in dense clay. For BS-prone roses like Heirloom or Double Delight (grafted-on-Dr.Huey), I need to dig down 2.5 feet for fast-drainage in acidic rain, plus supply slow-released lime to UP the pH, since Dr. Huey rootstock likes it alkaline.
My Jude as own-root was 100% healthy in fast-draining potting soil, plus frequent doses of sulfate of potash/gypsum, but B.S. when I neglected soluble fertilizer. Such wimpy roots need either super-loamy & neutral pH soil, or "spoon-fed" with potassium/calcium, which are essential for thicker leaves against fungal invasion.
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Lavenderlace: you are right about sandy soil (less magnesium), thus less scent than heavy clay. Magnesium is what makes clay sticky, and it's the "glue" to hold on to the scent. Nearby CANTIGNY ROSE PARK (alkaline clay) has better scent than loamy CHICAGO BOTANICAL roses. Cantigny rose park used to be a horse stable so there's a thick accumulation of COMPOSTED horse manure over decades. Horse eat oats, and oats are high in Omega-3 fatty acids. I put horse manure in a bucket, it rained, and I saw grease floating on top !!
A friend with heavy clay in CA sent me some blooms for me to sniff. Her roses have the best scents ever !! My heavy clay with horse manure can't match the intensity of her scents ... she fertilizes her roses with chicken manure plus fish emulsion (high in Omega-3). Fatty acids (Omega-3) is needed to retain the scent. Cooks often fry spices in oil, to induce flavors in food. Factors in fragrance: humidity, trace elements in soil, amount of magnesium, and Omega-3 fatty acids. Another factor which lessen the scent is lime (calcium). There's lime (to deodorize) in fresh horse manure, and that decreased roses' scents. One time I put gypsum (calcium sulfate) and that completely took away the scent of Basyes Blueberry rose (was intensely fragrant BEFORE the gypsum application.)
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That's very interesting about the manure for fertilizer. Oats have quite a high phosphorus content which helps balance out the high calcium in alfalfa. Of course, the manure could be from grass hay and not a legume, so it's hard to know what you're getting unless they actually know what the animals are eating.
Thanks for your info on Omega 3's also. Do you think the inverted ratio with omega 6 in oats is relevant in roses like in humans?
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Magnesium is the top factor in retaining scent, esp. the fruity scent. Magnesium UP the pH level, and the fruity scent is definitely stronger at higher pH (Mich in HMF noted this, same with me & that friend in CA). The Old rose scent is stronger at acidic pH (like rain water). The nutrients in oats are 173 mg Omega-3 and 3,781 mg of Omega-6, plus 82% phosphorus and 383 % manganese. If the horse are fed oats, then there's a high level of manganese and fatty acids.
The lime I refer to is the ADDED oyster lime by my local stable to take away the horses' urine odor in their stall. Lime is also added to bagged cow-manure to lessen the stench. That raises the pH, plus take away Old-Rose scents. I always get better scent on my roses via stinky chicken manure .. horse manure (with lime added) lessen the scent on certain roses, esp. the old-rose and clove scents.
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Thanks so much for sharing your experiences!
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Lavenderlace: Lime is definitely a "deodorizer", even at neutral pH like gypsum (calcium sulfate), which turned a strong wild-rose scent into zero scent. Mich from Fremont is right about the fruity (sweet) scent is stronger at high pH. Years ago I grew bland tasting tomato in pots (neutral loamy potting soil), versus super-sweet tomato in my heavy clay, pH near 8, fertilized with chicken manure. My peach tree gave much sweeter fruits than the peaches picked from Michigan orchards (lower pH soil). High pH does help with the "sweet taste" in fruits, as well as "sweet" fruity scents in roses.
Folks report on how chicken manure made their tomatoes really sweet. My Mom's garden used to be a chicken-farm, she grows the SWEETEST & most flavorful veggies. Chicken manure is highest in copper, zinc, and boron and those trace elements definitely help with flavor/scent.
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That's fascinating about the higher ph affecting the fragrance in roses and taste in fruits. I'll definitely keep that in mind, thank you!
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