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most recent 23 OCT 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 17 OCT 16 by Will Radler
2017 American Garden Rose Selections regional award (3 out of 6)
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 22 OCT 16 by braverichard
Congrats Bill! Cleaning out the awards circuit.

Almost end of season here, my Tahitian Treasure is barely 16 inches tall for some reason. I had expected it to be taller already, it bloomed quite well, even still has a bunch of blooms on it now, looking forward to seeing it grow taller to that advertised height of 5-6 feet.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 23 OCT 16 by Will Radler
One thing that I have learned through years of living with the aftereffects of typos, mistakes and misquotes, is that just because something is printed in a newspaper, magazine or book doesn't guarantee accuracy. As a result, I am always skeptical of the printed word and recommendations of others. That doesn’t mean that I am pessimistic, it means that I am cautious.

The original plant of my Tahitian Treasure is ownroot and generally doesn't exceed 30" in height, however it is competing with other roses.

Of the four grafted plants that I have, each plant has one cane that is 52 inches tall, nevertheless, I would say that the realistic height of the plants is in the range of 3 to 4 feet tall for landscaping purposes in my area when giving the plant reasonable care. By the way, I am a Landscape Architect by training. The plant breeding is a hobby that took off.

Own root plants, that are genetically predisposed to good branching, will always try to achieve a well rounded plant habit before they exhibit their maximum potential height. If your plant is a young ownroot plant, that would explain why it blooms a lot but is only 16 inches tall.

If your plant is a weak grafted plant, it will also exhibit the characteristics of an ownroot plant before it reaches its stage in life of normal potential vigor of a grafted plant.

Then there are the subjects of care, maintenance and environmental influences which complicate plant growth results even more.

I expect with good care and unforeseen negative factors, your plant of Tahitian Treasure will gain additional stature next year. All perennial plants always do better in subsequent years.

I will contact the Star Rose people about the height that is listed in Star Roses promotional material at 5 to 5 1/2 feet. I will also let them know that they left out fragrance for my rose Apricot Nectar. While I can barely denote the fragrance, most people that I've contacted say that Apricot Nectar is noticeably fragrant.

The subject of people being able to denote fragrance is a another subject for a different time but I can say that plant fragrance perception is greatly influenced by personal differences, much like colorblindness influences vision.
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most recent 7 OCT 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 31 AUG 14 by Will Radler
Parentage of Tahitian Treasue:

{Razzle Dazzle x ([Golden Jubilee x Applejack] x [Faberge x Eddie’s Crimson])} x {Razzle Dazzle x (Deep Purple x [Faberge x Eddie’s Crimson])}

Golden Jubilee = Jacobus ’48
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 16 OCT 14 by Rob Byrnes
What zone is this hardy to Bill?
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 16 OCT 14 by Will Radler
Tahitian Treasure is fully crown hardy in zone 5a with year round mulch. I haven't heard of others trying it further north. It is a seedling of mine of which I made the cross in 1992; the original plant is 22 years old and doing well.
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 22 JAN 16 by braverichard
Bill, I've noticed you use Razzle Dazzle a lot, this is supposedly an average Floribunda from decades ago yet you've created a some wonders from it. How come? I find that to be quite interesting. Also, why is it that this rose (Tahitian Treasure) is not better known? Well, I have one on order for this spring and will report back on how it grows for me here in zone 6a.
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 24 JAN 16 by Will Radler
Why Razzle Dazzle you ask?
It set hips and I needed a female parent. Little did I know that it would be the magic link.
Who are you ordering it from?
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 25 JAN 16 by braverichard
Well this will be my second attempt... I ordered it last year from Edmunds Roses but it was too late in the season, rose arrived, I planted it, it started growing then died (most likely canker, this was in July). I've got it coming this spring from Garden Valley Ranch since Edmunds does not have it this year.

I'm a big fan of your roses, awesome job with them, I have everyone you have released either planted or to be planted this spring. Current favorites are Milwaukee's Calatrava and Ramblin' Red (another Razzle Dazzle descendant!). I'm excited to see Tahitian Treasure, I hope it reblooms a lot like your Knock Outs!
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 5 OCT 16 by Rob Byrnes
Bill, could you tell me if Tahitian Treasure is fertile in either direction? Thank you.
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 6 OCT 16 by Will Radler
Tahitian Treasure rarely sets hips. I haven't as yet used it as a pollen parent but I would assume that it would work.
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 7 OCT 16 by Rob Byrnes
Thank you for the reply. I like the looks of Tahitian Treasure.
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most recent 22 FEB 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 22 FEB 16 by braverichard
I love this pic! David, how many years did it take to get this huge? Also how is the repeat on this rose?
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 22 FEB 16 by zlesak
Hi Richard! :0) It took maybe 5 years or so. It repeats lightly from new basals and side branches of flowering spring shoots typically in July/early August and then generally prepares itself well for winter. It is comparable in growth and repeat to 'William Baffin'.

I'm glad you like it :0). It is my favorite rose because it is so different for us in the North with such strong cane hardiness and a warm color.

Take Care,
David
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 22 FEB 16 by braverichard
5 years to get that huge in a zone 4a climate is very impressive. It must be super vigorous, this means it will need even less time to get that big for me in zone 6a. William Baffin does not repeat at all for me, mine is just two years old, maybe needs more time.

Good job on this hybrid, I have your other roses as well, especially love the thornless Smoothie Rose.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 22 FEB 16 by zlesak
Hi Richard! Wow, that's great you have Smoothie!! :0). It has Rosa setigera in its background and that gives it the shape of its mounded flower clusters and some of the magenta tones. Above and Beyond is super vigorous. I had an 8-10' tall free standing plant last spring that was totally girdled by bunnies at the base. I cut it back and a couple dozen new shoots came up from the base and grew to 5-6' in now time and terminated in clusters of flowers in June/July and continued to rebuild quickly from there. That's good to know 'William Baffin' doesn't repeat by you. I suspect then Above and Beyond would be stingy too.

Take Care!!
David
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