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Rose jacqueline du pre Does not appear to be available for purchase anywhere in the US.
Would love to have a cutting at least.
Update: Heirloom Roses has it now.
Update April 2021 US zone 9b. I have had this rose, in a pot, for a couple of years now. The scent is my favorite of all my roses I love the form of the flower and its red stamens. It has at least a few blooms throughout the season. Its prickles remind me of rugosas. It is not a flower for cutting, lasting only a day, but it is a delight.
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'Jacqueline du Pré' was one of my biggest disappointments in rose growing. I purchased this rose from Vintage Gardens in 1999 and 2002 and from Heirloom Roses in 2007. Every one failed to thrive and died. I only persisted in purchasing this rose since it was considered "the future of shrub roses" in some book to which I gave credence (maybe Harkness or Austin). Perhaps the clone in the USA was weak and not representative of the mother plant and died out for those vendors that sold it.
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Mine, from Vintage also died and it was a disease ridden mess while still alive. I thought at the time it couldn't tolerate my climate. I don't know about hardiness because it died before winter came. It looked so pretty in the pictures. sigh
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I came here to find out how its cut flowers were--thank you for providing that insight! I'll leave them on the bush :)
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29 SEP 16 by
NikosR
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I believe the bush form of Paul Lede is extinct (or at least not available in commerce as such) and most probably all photos displayed under this entry should be under cl. Paul Lede. I know for a fact that Oldrosarian's photo of Paul Lede is of the climbing form (from discussions in Gardenweb) and this form has been reintroduced in commerce recently as Mons. Paul Lede by Palantine in Canada from budwood supplied by her. In Europe cl. Paul Lede has been available for long also as Paul Lede.
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Interesting. It is fairly easy to prove that a rose is a climber. But a little harder to prove that the little squirt is the original bush for it could be the climber growing in unsuitable conditions. Perhaps comments from others -and the HMF photographers on the height of their bushes might help. I'll send the photographers a private message - there is only four.
To add a little weight to your theory, I note that the same photo has been used for both the climber and bush on the ARS MR site.
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#2 of 10 posted
3 OCT 16 by
NikosR
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Please check out this thread http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/4171313/palatine-has-my-all-time-fav-climber?n=14 where Old Rosarian (Lynette) discusses her rose.
There's no bush form of Paul Lede under that name in commerce in Europe nor in Australia afaik and I don't believe there's in N. America either. Confusion might stem from this fact since nurseries do not find it necessary to differentiate.
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#3 of 10 posted
3 OCT 16 by
NikosR
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Also please check out this older thread where morrisnoor (Maurizio Usai), a world renown and respected landscape architect and rosarian from Sardinia, Italy mentions that he believes the bush form is extinct.
http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1713074/paul-lede
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NikosR, I am sure you are right. I've been gleaning from the books and will add references.
Later edit. Because of your comments, NikosR; the square brackets in the 2001 reference; and the 1965 reference, I have marked this 1902 hybrid tea "believed extinct or lost". I have also moved all photos into the climber file. Anyone who disagrees is most welcome to move them back as that would signify this original bush form might not be extinct.
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#5 of 10 posted
7 OCT 16 by
Hartwood
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Paul Lede was definitely a climber in my garden. I got it from Roses Unlimited in 2007. After putting on size and having a few wonderful years of bloom, it was damaged by severe winter cold three years ago and it never recovered. RIP.
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Thanks Hartwood. That justifies moving your photo out of the bush and into the climber.
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I have received the following private message from member Alex.m in Austria:
Mine is the original bushform-the height is 70-90cm.
I got it from Eva Kotzmuth the former owner of Giovannis Garden and she maybe got it from Sangerhausen or Martin Weingart.
Giovannis Garden had a huge varitey of very rare roses ( I'm very happy to get many from them)- unfortunatly it dosent exist anymore.
......I know its the last :-( Eva Kotzmuth gave it to me because she know that I will take good care of it. Unfortunatly its a very delicate plant - it dosen´t bloom this year and is a very slow grower. I will talk to a friend of mine who is the owner of a rose nursery in the near (Baumschule Ecker) maybe he will propagate i
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#8 of 10 posted
13 OCT 16 by
NikosR
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That's very interesting! It would be good to know if Alex.m's delicate bush is budded or bare root. Maybe it would benefit from a climate milder than Austria's.
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#9 of 10 posted
18 NOV 16 by
alex.m.
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hi,
Usually even delicate chinas like the climate in my garden, but this fellow has special needs and is very easily offended ;-) .
Next season I will try to propagate it with cuttings.
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#10 of 10 posted
10 JUN 19 by
Thornbush
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I have a found rose in California zone 9b that may be Paul Lédé, The undersides of the petals are pink. It opens with a cream top side, apricot at the base of the petals. The stamens are maroon. My rooted cutting makes almost continuous huge, and hugely scented blossoms with maroon stamens. Does this sound like Paul? Or climbing Paul?
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Does anyone know the stamen color of Ophelia/Madame Butterfly/LadySylvia? I have a rose with 5” blooms, maroon stamens. Petals were semidouble, pink on the underside, white to pale pink on top, but shading golden in the center. It has a huge scent I associate with rose perfumes and powder. A cutting 13” long in its second year developed blooms which stretched 20” more than covering the little plant, but not in floribunda form. I would really love to know what this found rose is.
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