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J.E.Leahy
most recent 6 DEC 22 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 6 DEC 22 by J.E.Leahy
Thanks Patricia for the hints - have considered Antonine d'Ormois, Belle sans Flatterie, Cosimo Ridofli, Nestor, Ombree Parfaite, Hippolyte and Boule de Nanteuil. Anais Segalas is close as is President de Seze, but I think they both have more petals and are more carmine in colouring than my little rose. Also have read Graham Thomas, Beales and Rix amongst others - Jenny Duval is the only one I can find that fits the height of growth and colour. The flowers are more open than any of the others and have a strong scent and are more often solitary on each cane. Very fine spines on the canes, no noticeable thorns.
I would love to pop over - will try to get a day.
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most recent 5 DEC 22 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 4 DEC 22 by J.E.Leahy
Rose Marsh (HRiA founder) gave me several unnamed cuttings in the 1990's which I have continued to grow. She recently brought buds and leaves of one for me to identify. Until this year the rose I have has not done well and although it has proliferated on its own roots has not flowered. Now thanks to the rain we have had in SW WA over winter I can almost confirm that I have Jenny Duval . Thanks to Patricia Routley for her fine photos which have enabled me to identify this rose as the same one she is growing. The rose grows upright to 80cm with typical Gallica leaves and tiny, fine spines on the stems. It spreads slowly to create a patch of canes.The flowers are born most often singly and begin as pink/soft cerise buds aging through light magenta to soft mauve/lilac/grey. I have never seen a hip but will look more closely this year.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 5 DEC 22 by Patricia Routley
Gee, Judy. To say that an Australian identifies a gallica for certain is a very big ask.
In this hot country we just don’t grow too many gallicas and certainly do not have the gallica literature to investigate what we do grow.

I have just had to accept that my rose is ‘Jenny Duval’ (provenance The Flower Garden, S.A.-> Zephyr Brook 4-7 in 2000-> TT-E-11, but if you want to read up a little, the references for “Anais Segalas (in Australia)”, ‘Cosimo Ridolfi’, ‘Jenny’, or ‘President de Seze’ might be of interest.

Whatever this rose is - paired with ‘Veilchenblau’ overhead, and with Reithmuller’s ‘Honeyflow’ by its side, it makes a delectable scene (without the ‘Red Cascade’ of course).
You are very welcome to whizz over right now while they are all flowering.
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most recent 28 NOV 22 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 28 NOV 22 by J.E.Leahy
Comparing Daphne and Maid Marion I am even more convinced that Not Moonlight is Maid Marion. I have compared photos produced from Trevor Griffiths (NZ) and from a couple of books on Pemberton Roses and Maid Marion correlates in bud form and colour, flower form and stamen colour. Growth habit is the same, being lax with trusses of flowers produced in spring and recurring less through the season . Leaves are mid-green and glossy.
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most recent 27 NOV 22 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 25 NOV 22 by J.E.Leahy
I am now wondering if Daphne is the Not Moonlight I have been puzzling over for ages. The two plants I have (one named as Francine Austin!!) are in full bloom and fit the description given - soft pink buds ,flowers fading to white once fully open with a lilac pink tinge to new flowers. Stamens rapidly fade from light yellow to brown as the flower ages. Flowers are borne in loose trusses. Leaves are glossy mid- green borne on reddish new canes which fade to mid-green. Thorns are red, fading to mid-brown and are large. It is either this rose or Maid Marion.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 27 NOV 22 by Patricia Routley
I will respond further in “Not Moonlight”.
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