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J.E.Leahy 
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I first saw this rose growing in Kojonup WA in 2019 and thought it might be Manou Meilland but thought it was too consistent in colour. On a suggestion from Patricia Routley , (Northcliffe WA) I have gone back and looked at various sources and I agree with her and Margaret Furness that it is probably RED RADIANCE. I grow Radiance (pale pink) and the habit and flower are similar.
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I think I can see a central ball of petals in some of the flowers in Peta Zadow's photo. You'd need that to call it Red Radiance.
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I doubt that it is ‘Red Radiance’ as I have never seen a central ball of petals on this rose.
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Agreed, not Red Radiance then.
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I am unable to access my member listings. I have listed over 200 roses and want to edit the listing, but nothing is showing up at all.
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In your Member page, I tap on Member Garden, then Plants Grown, and there are the 201 roses you grow.
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Thanks Patricia, I must have been having a moment!! Worked it out after some random button pushing.
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I have been hunting around the garden looking at all the tea roses I have growing, particularly in relation to leaf shape, colour and armature. The stipules on many are similar in shape to that of ROR Mrs. F.P. (see photos) and there is a variation in spines on the leaf stem - some like Mrs. B.R. Cant and Rosette Delizy have pronounced spines whilst others such as Hugo Roller seem to lack spines altogether.
Mrs Frances Pickles was a local farmer who emigrated from Northern England to WA in the late 1800s with her family. Her brothers followed and one had the farm next to mine, on which there were a number of early and mid 20th century roses. This rose is possibly one purchased around the early 1900s as there was a row of older roses growing along the side of the original homestead on Karralea farm. Many of these were removed when Frances's Daughter-in-law remarried and left the farm. The plant I currently have in my care was given to the local museum without a name and languished under a large specimen of Crepuscule for decades before I removed it and resurrected it.
If anyone is interested in growing this rose I have plants available for Western Australia growers.
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Di Durston (Perth HRiA) is investigating three roses that look similar to ROR Mrs Frances Pickles - two being Laurette and Rubens. Looking at photos of Laurette it looks closer to Mrs Frances Pickles than Rubens. Could it be???
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What makes you think “Mrs Frances Pickles “ could be a tea, and not a hybrid tea?
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I have compared the old and new leaves and sepals to some other yellow flowered Teas - Bouquet D'Or, Lady Hillingdon, Devoniensis, Reve D'Or and find that the leaf colour on both older and new leaves corresponds with the classic tea colouring. The leaf shape is more lanceolate than ovate, although this could be misleading as the leaves of Mons. Tillier are more ovate than other tea roses.The sepals of Lady Hillingdon curve upwards as they age. The Shrub is open and looser in shape than early hybrid teas I have growing here and the flower shape corresponds to that of Reve D'Or , Bouquet D'Or , Devoniensis, and Mme Lambard. see photos.
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Judy, your comment is most interesting. I have been growing “Mrs. Frances Pickles” for 20 years and have only ever seen it as being a hybrid tea. It is so good to have new eyes looking at it - and sharing their thoughts.
‘Bouquet d’Or’ and ‘Reve d’Or’ have a lot of noisette in them.
Flower shape: “Mrs. Frances Pickles” outline can vary from rounded to pointed.
I would call “Mrs. Frances Pickles” leaf shape oval or ovate.
The description of lanceolate I have been using is: “Lance-shaped, being broadest at the centre, but three or more times as long as broad with an acute apex [pointed tip] and a rounded base”. (Think of Sir Galahad on his horse with that long lance.)
Recently I found prickles under the midrib - in past years I noted that under midrib was smooth. What do you find?
Both of us need to photograph the stipule.
What I do find fascinating is your comment on the sepals of ‘Lady Hillingdon’ curving upwards (I will later take and add photos of this trait to the ‘Lady Hillingdon’ file). On April 20, 2010 I added a “Mrs Frances Pickles” hip photo with sepals curving upwards. So, looking further…..at the parentage of ‘Lady Hillingdon’ we need to read the references for the yellow-white ‘Madame Hoste’ to see what we can find.
In the meantime, it would be good to have thoughts from Margaret Furness and Sue Zwar on what class they think “Mrs. Frances Pickles” might be - tea or hybrid tea?
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I haven't grown it myself, and the photos taken at Renmark were, as always, in a hurry. I didn't question the HT classification.
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It's worth having a look at the prickles. Laurette and the rose sold as Rubens are the same rose and it is often completely devoid of prickles. Strong new growth can have some prickles when young but most do not persist as the wood hardens.
I grow the rose sold as Rubens (ex Melvilles Rose Nursery, ex Ruston Roses, ex foundling from Blakiston Cemetery) and one propagated from the Laurette that grew in the Heritage Rose Garden at Pinjarra (ex Walter Duncan, who propagated it from a named plant growing in the Adelaide Botanic Gardens). They have grown side by side for over 20 years and are indistinguishable.
I haven't grown "Mrs Francis Pickles".
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#6 of 8 posted
26 JAN 23 by
HubertG
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I don't grow this rose and am only going by the photos, but the unopened buds look rather untealike as does that long-shaped hip from Patricia from 20 Apr 2010. The flower does have that slightly cabbagey that look you sometimes see in 'Caroline Testout' progeny.
I'm wondering if it's one of those Dickson Hybrid Teas from the pre-WWI period which seem to contain a lot of Tea blood. Purely speculation, but if Dickson produced essentially thornless Teas like 'Alexander Hill Gray' and 'Molly Sharman Crawford' and used such Teas in his breeding programme, a relatively thornless Hybrid Tea could be the result.
I think a big clue to solving its identity must lie in its relative thornlessness.
My other thought was an ancestor or sibling of 'Columbia' (because of its few thorns). I had a quick look but nothing obvious stood out.
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Interesting idea, but maybe another of the near-thornless Teas. AHG has only one descendant listed, and Molly S-C has none. Perhaps that green centre of Molly replaces functioning reproductive elements.
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26 JAN 23 by
HubertG
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Yes, that era seemed to have a lot of Teas and Hybrid Teas which were borderline to categorise into one or the other. For example, 'Mrs Herbert Stevens', which incidentally seems to have hips that have upright sepals. I think of it as a Tea. Its given pedigree says otherwise (although I doubt that's correct) but I have no doubt there's some hybridity in its background.
I looked at what hips I get off my 'Lady Hillingdon' and don't see any marked tendency for upright sepals.
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