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Initial post 29 JUN 18 by HubertG
From the 'Rosen-Zeitung' 1900, page 51:

"Einige schöne Rosen für das freie Land.

... 5) Marquise de Vivens, Th. (Dubreuil 86). Mein ganz specieller Liebling. Die Blüte geht zum Grunde hin vom leuchtendsten Rosa in weiss-rosa und schiesslich in gelb über. Sie ist sehr reichblühend und die Menge der etwas hangenden Blüten macht namentlich auf einem hohen Mittelstamm, einem überraschend reizenden Eindruck. Dabei wird der etwas an Veilchen erinnernde Duft an Feinheit wohl kaum vom Dufte einer andern Rose übertroffen. Sie ist nicht sehr frostempfindlich."

My translation:

Some Beautiful Roses for Open Ground.

... 5) Marquise de Vivens. Tea. (Dubreuil 86). My rather special favourite. The flower graduates from the brightest pink to white-pink and finally to yellow at the base. It is very free-flowering and the mass of somewhat nodding blooms makes a surprisingly charming impression especially on a tall standard. And the fragrance, somewhat reminiscent of violets, is hardly surpassed in refinement by any other rose. It is not very frost-sensitive.

[I think this is the only other reference to the violet scent apart from the Sangerhausen description.]
Reply #1 of 10 posted 30 JUN 18 by Patricia Routley
Well, I have violets galore ....[nonsense deleted]
Reference added. Thanks HubertG.
Reply #2 of 10 posted 30 JUN 18 by HubertG
That's good to know that it can do well in dappled shade. I was thinking of trying this in a large decorative terracotta pot but in a position that wasn't the sunniest, so that information is useful. Thanks.
I have violets like weeds too.
Reply #3 of 10 posted 30 JUN 18 by Patricia Routley
I do have 'Marquise de Vivens' (came as "Mrs Good's Special Tea") but my two own-root plants do not do well for me. (One in heavy dappled shade and a younger one in full sun.

[more nonsense deleted] .... Sorry to mess you around HubertG. Perhaps the time is getting closer for me to retire.
Reply #4 of 10 posted 30 JUN 18 by HubertG
No matter, Patricia. I've decided I want to give "Mrs. Goode's Special Tea" a go anyway, if Thomas' have it in stock, even just for the fragrance alone.
Reply #5 of 10 posted 30 JUN 18 by Margaret Furness
If not, I can send cuttings at a suitable time of the year. It doesn't like my garden either, but it's very floriferous.
Reply #8 of 10 posted 1 JUL 18 by HubertG
Thank you very much Margaret. I'll certainly let you know if I can't obtain it.
Reply #10 of 10 posted today by François PERROT
Je suis journaliste à Feurs (Loire - France), ville où la marquise de Vivens avait son château.
Je suis à la recherche pour une publication future de photographies récentes de la rose "Marquise de Vivens".
Je suis aussi à la recherche de bouture (sans les feuilles) pour pouvoir la réimplanter en France, chez elle à Feurs.
Merci pour l'aide que vous pouvez m'apporter.
Sincères salutations.
François Perrot

Good morning,
I am a journalist in Feurs (Loire - France), city where the Marquise de Vivens had her castle.
I am looking for a future publication of recent photographs of the rose "Marquise de Vivens".
I am also looking for cuttings (without leaves) to be able to relocate it in France, at her home in Feurs.
Thank you for your help.
Best regards.
François Perrot
Reply #6 of 10 posted 1 JUL 18 by Andrew from Dolton
Patricia, your knowledge and dedication to HMF are invaluable - don't you dare retire!
Reply #7 of 10 posted 1 JUL 18 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Andrew. That is nice of you. But the days dwindle do my supply of marbles I think.
Reply #9 of 10 posted 2 JUL 18 by billy teabag
You have millions of marbles Patricia. Marbles to spare.
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Initial post today by odinthor
The precise same image was used by Conard & Jones in their Autumn, 1901, catalog for 'Gruss an Teplitz'.
Reply #1 of 1 posted today by HubertG
The image is copyrighted 1890 so it won't be either 'Mme Ada Carmody' from 1898 or 'Gruss an Teplitz' from 1897 or thereabouts. I've found that Conard & Jones are pretty notorious at reusing images in this sort of way, and they seemed to get worse at it as time went on.
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Initial post yesterday by Margaret Furness
There are of course aspects of rose work that have to be done without gloves, but I've become careless, assuming that removal of a prickle and oral antibiotics would fix the ones that got red and swollen. Wrong. If the trouble gets into the sheath of a finger tendon, it can use the sheath as a channel to the palm, and if neglected can destroy the tendon. I ended up in the local hospital for one night, and two nights in a big hospital in the hands of plastic surgeons. They say I'll get "most of" the function back, having caught it in time.
Wiki says that the poet Rainer Maria Rilke died of leukaemia, not from the thorn of a rose he gave to an Egyptian beauty (there goes another good story.) But a thorn can still kill you, via tetanus.
So I recommend (apart from the obvious things about gloves and not delaying treatment):
- Check your tetanus status, and ask for a DTP shot. (The P is Pertussis (whooping cough), which is on the rise. It's hard enough work in adult-size airways, and it can kill babies: we need to increase the herd immunity. The third component is Diphtheria, which is very rare in well-immunised communities, but it's still out there.)
- Practice your daily living activities with your non-dominant hand, and one-handed. You never know when the skill might be useful.
- And if the redness and swelling go beyond the base of the finger, go straight to the nearest Emergency Department.
Reply #1 of 3 posted today by Robert Neil Rippetoe
So sorry Margaret.

My obsession with healthy smooth roses has it's reasons, and can't produce results soon enough.

Thanks for the kind warning and reminder to us all.

Best wishes, Robert
Reply #2 of 3 posted today by HubertG
Margaret, so sorry to hear this happened to you. Wishing you the speediest and most complete recovery possible.

Any punctures or scratches I get from the garden I treat pretty much straight away by soaking the finger/part in a glass of diluted Dettol. Any puncture that I think has gone deeper gets some iodine solution such as Betadine which will sting but I figure it's better to kill off whatever may have got in there straight away than to have trouble later.

Good advice on the DTP shots. My last Diphteria-Tetanus-Pertussis shot was about 3 years ago when I was scratched on the leg by a dog.
Reply #3 of 3 posted today by Margaret Furness
Good ideas.
Thanks for the good wishes guys.
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Initial post 29 JUN 11 by jmile
Tooth Fairy is a large continuous blooming rose. It seems to love the heat.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 2 JUN 23 by NewDawn
It loves the heat and doesnt seem to mind the cold either. Winter 2023, tip hardy and -7 with biting -40 windchill that cut almost everything else to the ground. Unprecedented die-back on SO MANY roses, but Tooth Fairy emerged unscathed. Because of this she has put on size since posting pics and now exceeds 5.5ft in both height and width with no signs of stopping! Lots of dead cane underneath and doesnt mind a prune. After this first flush, shell be brough into bounds again. Her growth is slow and steady. LOVE this rose!!!
Reply #2 of 3 posted 2 JUN 23 by HMF Admin
Love this post !

Thank you for your participation - this is what HMF is all about.
Reply #3 of 3 posted yesterday by KYBungalow
After another fairly cold winter , the tooth fairy has again proven it's worth. However short and spreading would not be a description I would use. She's grown into a huge plant Probably 6' tall and at least as wide. She does take well to pruning but Seems to have a great Hedge quality if allowed to grow to her Capacity.
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