Is “Jaycee Park” ‘Danse du Feu’?

The “AGAINSTs”:
Leaves
The pollen parent of ‘Danse du Feu’ (syn ‘Spectacular’) is said to be a multiflora seedling. I am fairly sure “Jaycee Park” is ‘Danse du Feu’ but the leaves are broad-ended, deep green and thick and shiny leaves. They do not look like multiflora leaves. And yet I can see those same deep green leaves of my foundling in Botanica’s p563 full page photo; and in Beales 1988 p86 photo; and also in the excellent illustration in Michael Gibson’s 1980 p179 illustration. Perhaps Norman Young was right when he wrote (1971 ref) “‘Danse du Feu’ and ‘Gruss an Teplitz’ are mongrels which cannot be placed in any botanical class.”

Petals
The number of thick petals on “Jaycee Park” has been counted as 16. I will have to re-count next spring because early references for ‘Danse du Feu’ has been counted as 35 (1957 ref), 30-35 (1965 ref) and 23 (Harkness 1967). Jack Harkness I trust. Of course the original plant has probably had no food for decades and my plants are still less than a year old. They may yet increase their petal count.

Hips.
There was only one mention of hips – and that was from Jack Harkness in 1978 where he gave them a 3 rating (on an ascending scale of merit from 1 to 10). At least he saw hips and so far I haven’t.
Actually the Patent for 'Danse du Feu' says it sets no hips.

Colour
There are many references which mention orange in the colour. Too many to ignore, but I have not seen any orange at all in my scarlet-red blooms.

The FORs:
Colour
I am reassured by the colour of the photos in the 1980, 1988 and 1998 references. “Jaycee Park” starts out as an arterial blood colour and changes later to a veinal blood colour – and I think that is a b….y good colour description. This change of colour to crimson purple (as in my photo 549 038) is confirmed in many references.

Stripe
A china stripe in my rose is visible in the 1988 reference photo, and it is also mentioned in the 2000 reference.

Petals. Those broad heart-shaped petals which roll longitudinally to form tubes (and which led me up the garden path with ‘Red-Letter Day’ for a while there) have not been seen in any photos of ‘Danse du Feu’, although the Beales 1988 photo comes close with the straight edge of the petal. The tube-like petals were seen mainly in my new potted plants and rarely on the original bush.

Buds
The buds are medium size, pointed and ovoid. In the 1998 reference for 'Danse du Feu' they are said to be “short”.

Season
“Jaycee Park repeats, as does ‘Danse du Feu’.

Disease
The foundling is certainly susceptible to black spot, more so than most of my roses here. The leaves look to be thick and almost immune, but they quickly succumb and the 1998 reference confirms this susceptibility.

Foliage
The foliage looks identical. I am comparing my photos 549 020 and 549 019 and 549 032 with those wonderful 1980, 1988 and 1998 illustrations where the deep green, broad-ended leaves are shown with some clarity.

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Latet edit: conserving information on this foundling before deleting it and then merging with ‘Danse du Feu’.
Found by Patricia Routley, 2013 on old garden site, now called Jaycee Park, Manjimup, Western Australia.
RECEPTACLE Smooth. Slender, narrowing at the rim.
INFLORESCENCE Possibly small clusters. Certainly two flowers from the same point in my photo no. 23
BUD - colour Dark red. Medium size. Pointed. Ovoid. Not large or long or slender.
BLOOM FORM Semi double. The young plants still in pots have more cactus-shaped blooms than the original bush had. Petals roll longitudinally to form ‘tubes’.
BLOOM PETALS 16 thick, broad, heart-shaped. Edges roll under
BLOOM COLOUR A change to dusky vinous pink (as in Tea Roses, p206) occurs in old blooms in hot weather
BLOOM PEDICEL Stiff. Almost smooth, but a few glands
BLOOM ANTHER Colour brown
BLOOM FILAMENT Colour Cream
= BLOOM STAMEN or male organ 8mm
BLOOM STIGMAS Colour cream to pale brown
BLOOM STYLES Colour red
= BLOOM PISTIL or female organ 4mm Free
HIP. Pedicels are dropping off with no hip set
LEAVES Five. dark green, thick, shiny. Deeply serrated.
CANES. Young - green.
PRICKLES Possibly caducous. Newer canes have many prickles

Hi it appears there are two different clones on the market. The pink one might be ‘ Princesse Marie ‘ mislabeled.

For those who are interested in that rose, there is a documentary called Roses and Climbers &Creepers (from the series Great British Garden Revival) that shows a splendid Adelaide d'Orléans growing at Mottisfont Abbey. There are beautiful pictures of that rose but the quick view (at 9 minutes from the beginning) of it in the video is striking. In his 1991 book Graham Stuart Thomas is recommending to train it on an arch or on a tree.