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Initial post 21 OCT 21 by Rachel B
22/10/2021
Today, Peter Ellis visited Blackwood (the remainder of a c. 1920 public garden of Horace Mofflin in Darlington, WA), and identified one of the remaining original roses as Red Ethel ROR. Most of the roses in this garden were modern roses during that era, and were sourced from Hazlewood Bros. I wonder if the original ID of Red Ethel is in the catalogues?
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 23 OCT 21 by Patricia Routley
Peter Ellis is a treasure! Hazlewood would have almost certainly listed this rose, but under what name? During my lunchtime rest yesterday, I read through their 1922 catalogue and noted the following:

Novelties of 1922
Crusader 1919. Low fragrance, blooms singly, blues.
Earl Haig <1921. Few thorns, solitary, center flat
Francis Scott Key 1913. Long stems, 95 petals, colour seems different to “Red Ethel”.
Gloire de Hollande 1918.
G. Glassford 1921. Garnet red, long buds.
Mrs. Henry Winnett 1917. Long strong stems
Princess Victoria 1920. Orange base
Souvenir de Claudius Denoyel <1920. a pillar rose
The General 1920. Flushed orange
Yves Druhen <1920. Long stems.

Novelties of 1921
Archie Gray <1916. Crimson, flamed scarlet
Captain Georges Dessirier <1919. Long stems, spreading habit.
Etoile de Hollande
Firebrand 1915. Climbing, possibly a single rose.
Nederland 1919. Long strong stems

General list
Laurent Carle 1907
Hoosier beauty.1915. Long stems
George Dickson 1912. Tall bush
Rhea Reid 1906. Thornless
Red Radiance. 1916. Long heavy stems
C, V. Haworth 1917.
Colonel Oswald Fitzgerald 1917. No fragrance
Triumph 1907. Vigorous upright shrub
Etoile de France 1903. Few thorns, long stems
General Superior Arnold Janssen 1911. Long stems
Chateau de Clos Vougeot. 1908. Spreading laterally, thornless
Liberty
Walter C. Clark 1917. Maroon crimson shaded black
Mrs. Edward Powell 1910. Thornless, long stems
Mrs. R. C. Bell 1920. Long stems, medium height.
John Davison 1919. Mild fragrance
H. V. Machin 1914
Chas K. Douglas 1917. Open informal blooms.
Mary Countess of Ilchester 1910. “Splendid for cutting” therefore long stems? Has circular petals.
Covent Garden 1919. No perfume. Cut flower, long erect stem.
Edward Mawley 1911

Billy sent me down some wood of “Red Ethel” in 2017. It struck successfully and I spread it around to three other gardeners, keeping one for myself. After planting it out, the rose went backwards and disappeared. This year it has resurfaced and this makes me think it could have pernetiana blood, as do the prickles. The center ball I am seeing in Hillary’s photos of “Red Ethel” suggest either a Radiance or Mme. Caroline Testout family.

I also have a similar red prickly HT foundling that I found in two gardens: “Alice Red” and “Birte Venske No. 2” (on HelpMeFind). I wondered for a good while if it could have been Alister Clark’s ‘Mrs. Harold Brookes’, but came to the conclusion that it was perhaps not that rose. I will keep an eye on these three foundlings and compare - and suggest that other Perth members might like to read one Hazlewood catalogue each and put forward suggestions. It would be a process of elimination.
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