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most recent 8 days ago SHOW ALL
Initial post 29 MAY by ParisRoseLady
Does anyone know about the vase life of the blooms, ie whether Secret makes a good cut flower?
Reply #1 of 1 posted 8 days ago by MADActuary
Bred from Pristine, so count on a short vase life. It does not last very long on the bush either
most recent 24 MAY SHOW ALL
Initial post 15 MAY by HippyHopRoses
Buyer Beware on this vendor - they recently lost an entire crop of roses and failed to tell customers from the time they lost it until they were suppose to be shipping things when it came out. They've failed to return people money who were requesting refunds. They've failed to communicate with said customers and they failed to even have proper business insurance in place in case of said crop failure.. You can find more information by googling garden roses llc -

I would bewary and uber cautious when dealing with this company based on the misdeeds and unfortunate circumstances that are currently playing out with them not willing to give people back the money they should of had in trust for presales. They instead blew the money on everything but what it should've been held to pay for. The owners of this outfit have criminal historys and it looks like they haven't actually learned a life lesson from that either.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 16 MAY by Nastarana
"The owners of this outfit have criminal historys"(sic) You are aware that that remark is, as it stands, a libelous statement?

I also note you have not been heard from on this forum before, except for one post in which you were looking for a certain rose in England. Speaking of things not adding up...

It looks to me like the nursery owners got in over their heads and I hope for their sakes and ours that they do find their feet soon.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 16 MAY by Amy E
Contact your bank or credit card company and tell them that you have not received what you paid for. Tell them you want a "charge back".
Good luck and hope it works out.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 24 MAY by MADActuary
Sounds like you have a considerable axe to grind. I think you are being very harsh on a start-up operation. The proprietor - Nate Fisher - was a "Rising Star" recipient in 2021 from the American Rose Society. I'll bet he will make things right here in the end.
most recent 24 APR SHOW ALL
Initial post 3 OCT 20 by sam w
This rose regularly turns up in the springtime stacks of bodybag roses at the local stores. I bought one once and, to my surprise, it thrived in spite of its inauspicious beginnings. The next year I had the same experience and after a year off I bought a third one this way and it also prospers.
All of which leads me to say that while 90% of the roses sold in those awful little plastic bags full of wet bark don't do very well, this instead is one of the handful that is actually worth the gamble.
Reply #1 of 6 posted 16 APR by Michael Garhart
It helps to remove the garbage filler they put in those bags. Sometimes they will cause a fungal infection in the root zone. Such as dry rot.

Always inspect the roots and nip off any decay or where they are broken so those body bag roses have a fighting chance.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 18 APR by MADActuary
If you want a good Red Masterpiece you can get a bareroot #1 grade from Regan Nursery. I have one and it's thriving. Very underrated rose in that it is rated 6.9 in ARS Handbook. It's much better than that in my garden (Zone 5b, Chicago area). Hardy through two winters now.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 21 APR by Michael Garhart
ARS ratings before 2000 are really ... suspect... because most of it was through the eyes of exhibitors. For sniffy reds, I prefer Firefighter and Claret. I think Red Masterpiece was a good improvement on resolving some of Chrysler Imperial's issues and creating a decent red sniffer for the garden.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 22 APR by MADActuary
I have had trouble getting an own root Chrysler Imperial to grow. So trying one grafted on Dr. Huey this year.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 23 APR by Lee H.
Madactuary, I also have an own root C.I. that did poorly, until I moved it from a spot getting maybe 8 hours of sun, to one that is sunny from dawn until dusk. That made all the difference.
Reply #6 of 6 posted 24 APR by MADActuary
That's great to hear Lee. But I don't have a spot for dawn until dusk. But where my own root CI is, gets plenty of sunshine - plus plants surrounding it have been thriving. I'll bet my new budded Chrysler Imperial (to be planted adjacent to the existing CI) will grow circles around the own root plant. And although I complain about the own root plant, it has been doing better each growing season. Maybe 2024 is the year it will leap!
most recent 22 APR HIDE POSTS
Initial post 22 APR by MADActuary
My one-year Muzi-Lucia has made it through winter in Zone 5b (Chicago area) and is in quite good shape. Winter protection was shredded mulch piled about 5 to 6 inches high. Looking forward to seeing how this one develops.
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